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		<title>DOJ Confirms Previously-Denied File Said to Implicate US Officials in Nuclear Espionage by Erik Larson</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In a March 12, 2012 FOIA appeal response, the US Dept. of Justice (DOJ) implicitly acknowledged the existence of FBI File 203A-WF-210023, which FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has said contains evidence of top US officials’ complicity in the trafficking of nuclear secrets, arms and drugs, in addition to bribery, blackmail, money-laundering and obstruction of investigation [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">March 12, 2012 FOIA appeal response</a>, the US Dept. of Justice (DOJ) implicitly acknowledged the existence of FBI File 203A-WF-210023, which FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has said contains evidence of top US officials’ complicity in the trafficking of nuclear secrets, arms and drugs, in addition to bribery, blackmail, money-laundering and obstruction of investigation into 9/11. In 2008, the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080214111500/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece">Sunday Times of London</a> reported that the FBI, in response to a different FOIA request, denied the existence of the file.</p>
<p><span id="more-189"></span>The January 20, 2008 report by the Sunday Times, <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080214111500/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece">FBI denies file exposing nuclear secrets theft</a>, briefly summarized Edmonds’ allegations about the file in this way: “She says the FBI was investigating a Turkish and Israeli-run network that paid high-ranking American officials to steal nuclear weapons secrets. These were then sold on the international black market to countries such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.” According to an <a href="http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2008/jan/28/00012/">article by former CIA Officer Philip Giraldi</a>, the file name 203A-WF-210023 indicates it’s an “FBI Washington Field Office, Counterintelligence Division, Turkish Unit File.”</p>
<p>When the Times asked Edmonds about FBI File 203A-WF-210023, she said, &#8220;The file refers to the counterintelligence programme that the Department of Justice has declared to be a state secret to protect sensitive diplomatic relations.&#8221; The article goes on to say that, &#8220;the FBI responded to a [<a href="http://www.libertycoalition.net/about">Liberty Coalition</a>] freedom of information request for a file of exactly the same number by claiming that it did not exist. But The Sunday Times has obtained a document signed by an FBI official showing the existence of the file.” No other information was given regarding the latter document.</p>
<p>The Times’ January 20 report was the second of three articles concerning interviews with Edmonds and their own investigation. The first was <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080109045435/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece">For sale: West’s deadly nuclear secrets</a> on January 6, and the third was <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080516220418/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3257725.ece">Tip-off thwarted nuclear spy ring probe</a> on January 27. These reports received mainstream media coverage in Europe, Asia and Australia and were widely circulated online, but were ignored by US mainstream media, despite their relevance to US national security, Edmonds’ <a href="http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/0302/attachment3.htm">established</a> <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a072004iogreportsibel">credibility</a> as a witness, and her relatively <a href="http://justacitizen.com/JustaCitizen-Interviews.htm">high public profile</a> as a whistleblower barred from testifying in court cases due to ‘state secrets’ gag orders in <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a10182002AshcroftStatesSecretFirstSibel#a10182002AshcroftStatesSecretFirstSibel">2002</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a504publicclassified#a504publicclassified">2004</a>.* In a <a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98">2009 deposition under oath</a>, Edmonds affirmed her allegations as reported by the Times, as well as testifying to her knowledge of other, related, crimes and corruption. This deposition was also ignored by US MSM.</p>
<p>January 2011, I submitted a FOIA request for FBI File 203A-WF-210023 and records with references to Tom Lantos, a deceased Congressman (D-CA) featured in <a href="http://justacitizen.com/images/Gallery%20Draft2%20for%20Web.htm">Sibel Edmonds’ State Secrets Privilege Gallery</a> (posted in conjunction with the January 6 Times report; <a href="http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/01/sibel-names-names-in-pictures.html">click here for names/info</a>). In some of their correspondence regarding my request, the FBI seems to indirectly confirm the existence of the file, such as by saying there were 3429 “potentially responsive” pages, and that “[Lantos] shares the same investigative file.&#8221; However, in its final response the FBI refused to confirm or deny the existence of responsive records, saying its “investigatory interest” in an “individual or organization” could be revealed (see <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/52112427">relevant FBI correspondence</a>, scanned in reverse chronological order). <a href="http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/foia.html">FOIA exemption (b)(7)(E)</a> was cited, which exempts sensitive techniques, procedures and guidelines from disclosure.</p>
<p>I appealed to the DOJ Office of Information Policy (OIP), and received the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">March 12, 2012 letter</a> stating that, “All of the information responsive to your request [for records concerning FBI File 203A-WF-210023] is classified.” FBI’s withholding was affirmed on &#8220;partly modified grounds”; <a href="http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/foia.html">FOIA exemption (b)(1)</a> is the only one cited, which exempts classified information from disclosure. The letter also says the responsive information is being referred to the DOJ Department Review Committee (DRC) for declassification review.</p>
<p><strong>Significance of DOJ’s confirmation of FBI File 203A-WF-210023</strong></p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">March 12 DOJ response</a> is significant for several reasons. One is that it’s the first official public acknowledgment of the existence of FBI File 203A-WF-210023; the DOJ has implicitly acknowledged its existence by stating that the information responsive to my request for this file (and Lantos references) is classified. This official confirmation of the file’s existence gives additional credence to Edmonds’ already credible allegations.</p>
<p><strong>Was the fact of the existence of FBI File 203A-WF-210023 previously classified information?</strong></p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">DOJ March 12 response</a> is also significant because it means the fact of the existence of FBI File 203A-WF-210023 is not classified information. Based on the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080214111500/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece">Times&#8217; description</a> of the FBI’s 2008 response to the Liberty Coalition, it seems likely the fact of its existence was classified at that time. Note that, <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/52112427">in 2011</a>, the FBI responded differently to my request; rather than affirmatively stating that responsive records didn’t exist, they simply refused to confirm or deny the existence of responsive records, aka a Glomar response.</p>
<p>Considering that “203A” means it’s an <a href="http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2008/jan/28/00012/">FBI Counterintelligence Division, Turkish Unit file</a>, in 2008 the FBI was probably using the <a href="http://www.archives.gov/about/laws/foia.html">FOIA (c)(3) exclusion</a>, which permits the FBI to not only withhold records “pertaining to foreign intelligence or counterintelligence, or international terrorism,” but to, “as long as the existence of the records remains classified information, treat the records as not subject to the requirements of [the FOIA].” According to still in effect <a href="http://www.justice.gov/oip/86agmemo.htm#mechanism">1986 guidance from Attorney General Ed Meese</a>, when using any of the three subsection (c) exclusions, the proper agency response is to advise requesters that, &#8220;there exist no records responsive to your FOIA request.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Meese guidance has long been public but little known. In 2011 there was some controversy over the standard exclusion response when DOJ attempted to codify it in a proposed rule change, following a federal judge’s discovery that <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/03/doj-lies-about-its-foia-lies/">DOJ had “provided false and misleading information to the Court”</a> about the existence of records requested under FOIA. In 2011, Judge Carney made public an unclassified version of a ruling in that case that called attention to the standard exclusion response and stated: <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/03/doj-lies-about-its-foia-lies/">“The Government cannot, under any circumstance, affirmatively mislead the Court.”</a>  The DOJ dropped its proposed rule change following the controversy, but, contrary to what most media reported, <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/04/doj-admits-it-has-been-lying-for-24-years-journalists-applaud/">DOJ is only rethinking its approach, and will continue its decades-long practice</a> of asserting to the public that responsive records don’t exist, when subsection (c) exclusions are utilized.</p>
<p>DOJ <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/03/doj-lies-about-its-foia-lies/">denied that the practice constitutes “lying”</a>, but it can be expected that requesters have been misled by the exclusion response. The <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080214111500/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3216737.ece">Times reporters’ interpretation</a> of the FBI’s 2008 response to the Liberty Coalition FOIA would seem to be one example; they wrote that the FBI was “claiming that [FBI File 203A-WF-210023] did not exist.” The Times article concludes, “An FBI spokesman said he was not familiar with the case file but he added: ‘if the FBI says it doesn&#8217;t exist, it doesn&#8217;t exist.’” Of course, the FBI may say it didn’t actually say the file didn’t exist; it simply said responsive records didn’t exist (because the law permits it to exclude the requested records from the category of ‘responsive’ records).</p>
<p>The Meese guidance gives the purpose of the standard (c) exclusion response: <a href="http://www.justice.gov/oip/86agmemo.htm#mechanism">“… so that no telling inferences can be drawn by requesters.”</a> Hopefully, due to the controversy, advocates for transparency/accountability are better prepared to draw ‘telling inferences’ from agency responses. However, as <a href="http://www.emptywheel.net/2011/11/04/doj-admits-it-has-been-lying-for-24-years-journalists-applaud/">most media stated or implied a new practice was proposed and then dropped</a>, many requesters may still be confused.</p>
<p>Since receiving the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">March 12 DOJ letter</a>, I’ve FOIA’d all records pertaining to classification and declassification of the fact of the file’s existence, all records pertaining to declassification review of the file’s contents, and the contents of the FBI and DOJ administrative case files pertaining to my 2011 FOIA request.</p>
<p><strong>The information in FBI File 203A-WF-210023 is classified: why?</strong></p>
<p>Another significant fact is that, per the DOJ March 12 letter, <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">“all of the information … is classified.”</a> The proper purpose of classification is to prevent disclosure of information when national security could be harmed as a result. Clearly, national security could be harmed by exposure/disruption of an investigation into an international nuclear black market network facilitated by high-level US officials.</p>
<p>However, Edmonds has said that <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20080109045435/http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3137695.ece">“by the end of January 2002”</a> the investigation was shut down. <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2005/09/edmonds200509.print">Those implicated</a> <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20091024024107/http://www.military.com/news/article/ex-fbi-translator-claims-spying-at-dod.html">have long</a> <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7436">been aware</a> of the investigation, and the passage of time has also reduced the sensitivity of this information. More than ten years later, there have been no arrests or indictments, let alone trials. No public information indicates that any part of the US government – executive office or agency, Congress or court – is working to establish accountability.</p>
<p>Based on <a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98">Edmonds’ 2009 testimony</a> and other public statements, it may be the claims about the need to protect <a href="http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2002/October/02_ag_605.htm">“national security”, “diplomatic relations” and “state secrets”</a> are an attempt to conceal threats to national security, to protect a corrupt system and powerful, well-connected corrupt entities, and to cover up associated crimes. Assuming Edmonds’ allegations are factual, this cover up is itself is potentially criminal and also a national security concern, in addition to the other crimes and the failure of the US government to hold those involved accountable. It seems likely the national security interests of the US republic would be better served, at this point, by public hearings, testimony under oath and disclosure of records, than by silence and continued suppression of information pertaining to this file.</p>
<p><strong>DOJ confirmation of FBI File 203A-WF-210023 aids disclosure efforts</strong></p>
<p>Finally, <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/89087336">DOJ’s March 12 acknowledgment</a> is significant is because it will aid efforts to compel disclosure of records pertaining to FBI File 203A-WF-210023, which, in turn, may help to establish truth and justice. OIP’s referral of the information to the DRC is standard practice, and a useful step forward <a href="http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2010-title28-vol1/pdf/CFR-2010-title28-vol1-sec17-15.pdf">28 CFR § 17.14(a)(2)(2010) PDF</a>. It’s possible that with a level of oversight above the FBI, some or all of the information in this file will be declassified in the near future. However, considering the DOJ’s track <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/news/20120214/index.htm">record</a> concerning transparency and accountability, there isn’t much reason to have hope here.</p>
<p>As the FOIA requester, my options at this point are: 1) Wait for DRC to finish its review, which could be sooner or later. 2) Sue for release of the records. This is unlikely to be productive, as federal judges tend to defer to the government in matters concerning national security, and doing so while DRC is reviewing the file would be premature. 3) Cancel this FOIA-triggered review and request a ‘<a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/oversight-groups/iscap/mdr-appeals.html">mandatory declassification review’</a> (MDR) by the FBI. Cancellation would be necessary because a single requester isn’t permitted to request records under both FOIA and MDR at the same time.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/nsa/foia/foia_guide.html">National Security Archive at GWU</a> recommends the MDR process when classified information is involved, as it provides for appeal to the National Archives’ Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (<a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/oversight-groups/iscap/index.html">ISCAP</a>). Excepting the US president, ISCAP is the final authority on classification, and it has a much better track record on declassification than agencies or courts. According to the 2010 annual report (<a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/reports/2010-annual-report.pdf">PDF</a>) of the Information Security Oversight Office (<a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/">ISOO</a>) (ISCAP’s parent organization), during the 1996-2010 period, 63% of pages pertaining to MDR appeals were declassified in their entirety, 29% were declassified in part, and only 8% were denied.</p>
<p>I decided to go with option 1) above, as other researchers have now filed requests for MDR of FBI File 203A-WF-210023. A helpful person at ISOO informed me that these two processes do not conflict when initiated by different individuals or organizations, and may facilitate each other. The DRC referral may mean the FBI has already done a declass review in response to my FOIA request; if so, FBI may simply deny these MDR requests outright, as agencies are only obligated to do a review every two years, in response to requests from the public. Any denial by FBI can be appealed to DRC, by which time it may have completed some or all of the FOIA-triggered review. Any denial by DRC can be appealed to ISCAP. And, if FBI fails to respond to these MDR requests in a year, or if DRC fails to respond in 180 days, appeals can be made directly to ISCAP. See here for more info on <a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/oversight-groups/iscap/mdr-appeals.html">MDR appeals</a>.</p>
<p>There’s no telling when ISCAP will finish its review, and no guarantee that anything will be declassified. If ISCAP does not declassify the information in this file, the only authority above it is the US president. There’s no formal process by which members of the public can appeal to the president, but <a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/oversight-groups/iscap/iscap-bylaws.html#third-function">any agency representative on ISCAP’s panel</a> (<a href="http://www.archives.gov/isoo/oversight-groups/iscap/index.html">DOJ has one</a>) has the option of appealing to the president to overrule any ISCAP panel decision on declassification. The FBI will also have an opportunity, prior to release of any declassified information, to review it again and apply FOI/PA exemptions.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>While disclosure’s important, it isn’t needed to know what needs to be done about FBI File 203A-WF-210023. The decade-long suppression of information concerning this investigation – aided and abetted by Establishment politicians, appointees, bureaucrats and media – is reason enough to withdraw support from them, and to support alternatives. But, this is just one of many examples of how the legitimacy of the US Establishment has been undermined by its own corruption. If the US is to be a republic in more than name only, the people need to check the concentration of power in the hands of those who would be unaccountable. Hopefully, the people will act before some loose nuke comes home to roost. Considering that Establishment politicians and media used, and continue to use, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">9/11</a> as justification for <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=us_force_against_iran">foreign</a> <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=iraq_project">interventions</a> and a <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=lossofcivilliberties">domestic security state</a>, it can be expected that a nuclear attack would likewise be used as a pretext for further militarism and erosion of liberty.</p>
<p><strong>* Background: Sibel Edmonds’ allegations and FBI File 203A-WF-210023</strong></p>
<p>For those unfamiliar with Sibel Edmonds’ case, Giraldi’s article <a href="http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2008/jan/28/00012/">Found in Translation</a> provides a good summary, and it also addresses criticism of Edmonds’s claims. Also see this <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=2498">bulletpoint list</a> of her many allegations. The <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=sibel_edmonds">Sibel Edmonds profile timeline at History Commons</a> provides greater detail and context concerning significant events and entities, with links to sources. <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?page_id=8953">Bradblog</a> and <a href="http://www.antiwar.com/">AntiWar</a> have covered many significant developments in her case, and <a href="http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/">Luke Ryland</a> has done a great deal of original research and analysis. Edmonds has her own websites; <a href="http://www.justacitizen.com/">JustACitizen.com</a> archives information pertaining to her case, and <a href="http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/">BoilingFrogsPost.com</a> is devoted to publishing new information and analysis on corruption and media failures. She also recently published a book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Classified-Woman-The-Sibel-Edmonds-Story/dp/0615602223/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1333892159&amp;sr=1-1">Classified Woman</a>, regarding her experiences as a whistleblower and the implications.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new investigation of 9/11 is needed, as all investigations so far have been superficial or corrupted, and have failed to meaningfully address significant issues. However, the Commission proposed by the Citizens 9/11 Commission Campaign will be unable to meaningfully address these issues, and there are significant problems with the Campaign itself; this essay will [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new investigation of 9/11 is needed, as all investigations so far have been superficial or corrupted, and have failed to meaningfully address significant issues. However, the Commission proposed by the <a href="http://9-11cc.org/">Citizens 9/11 Commission Campaign</a> will be unable to meaningfully address these issues, and there are significant problems with the Campaign itself; this essay will address three. First, state authority will be of little value in a 9/11 investigation due to the ‘sovereign immunity’ of the US federal government. Second, the Campaign and proposed Commission are not structured in a way that makes them accountable to the public; mechanisms are not built in to ensure the public has adequate oversight of the course of investigation, the use of funds and those entrusted with responsibility for these things &#8212; short of passing another ballot initiative, or petitioning their state legislature to act. Finally, the Campaign has made inaccurate and misleading representations: The proposed Campaign promotes itself as a way to circumvent the federal government&#8217;s failure to adequately investigate 9/11, but state-level authority does not meaningfully provide a way to do this. And, despite rhetoric to the contrary, the Campaign and the Commission do not truly represent direct democracy, as the Campaign Steering Committee and Board of Directors are self-selected and the commissioners would by chosen by them, not by the people. The first two points will be addressed in separate sections below, and the third point will be addressed in both sections.</p>
<p><span id="more-182"></span>I. State authority will be of little value in a 9/11 investigation, and the Campaign has made inaccurate and misleading representations concerning what is possible and feasible for the proposed Commission to accomplish.</p>
<p>The 9-11cc.org <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62w5CltUc">FAQ: Is the Citizens 911 Commission Campaign’s approach legally sound?</a> states that, &#8220;Legislative Counsels of the states of California and Oregon &#8230; drafted the legal language,&#8221; and that in the case of Massachusetts (<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/630UwAfS3">where the ballot initiative was certified</a>) &#8220;Several attorneys review [a proposed initiative] for the Attorney General, who then certifies it as legal and constitutional.&#8221; Furthermore, &#8220;It is [Mike Gravel's] guess that more than ten attorneys in three states, who do nothing but review initiatives and draft legislation for their respective legislatures, have thus acknowledged the legality of our proposed 9-11 initiative.&#8221; It may be the case that the initiatives comply with state legal and constitutional requirements, but this says nothing about a more important question; whether or not a state-level investigation has meaningful authority over federal government witnesses and records.</p>
<p>According to the Citizens 9/11 Commission Campaign <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">FAQ: Who Chooses the New Commission? How Will It Operate?</a> web page:</p>
<blockquote><p>Q. Will the Commission have the power to subpoena suppressed evidence, like the videos of the Pentagon that have been classified and withheld by the FBI? Can we subpoena the CIA? The NSA? The Bush presidential archives? Can we call Bush to testify, or is he immune?</p>
<p>A. Yes, all of the above can be exercised by the Commission.</p></blockquote>
<p>This answer is misleading. The states belonging to the federal union known as the USA do not have the power or authority to oversee the federal government, except through the members elected to Congress by those states. Subpoenas can be issued by a commission authorized to do under state law, but federal agencies are not obligated to comply with state subpoenas for federal records, due to the sovereign immunity of the US federal government:</p>
<blockquote><p>The complete immunity of a federal agency from state interference is well established. <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13561200839629014638">United States v. Owlett, 15 F. Supp. 736, 741 &#8211; Dist. Court, MD Pennsylvania 1936</a></p>
<p>It has been long settled that the United States cannot be sued, either in federal court or in any state forum, unless it has waived sovereign immunity. … States and comparable entities are treated no differently than any other litigant. Indeed, <strong>the lower courts have repeatedly held that, absent a waiver, the United States cannot be forced to obey a subpoena issued by a state court, state grand jury, or state legislative committee</strong>. [emphasis added] <a href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=4958584251773646954">Commonwealth of Puerto Rico v. US, 490 F. 3d 50, 71 &#8211; Court of Appeals, 1st Circuit 2007</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Persons no longer employed by the US government or not subpoenaed in their official capacity would be in a different situation, if subpoenaed to appear before a state commission and submit to questioning under oath. However, as the <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a> acknowledges, the Commission will have little recourse should they fail to appear:</p>
<blockquote><p>The more likely scenario, however, is that certain individuals and agencies that the Commission subpoenas (presumably those with something to hide) will <em>refuse</em> to respond. Little can be done about this <em>unless</em> any one of these officials enters the state whose powers are used by the Commission to issue the subpoenas.</p></blockquote>
<p>In addition to those with “something to hide,” other witnesses might decline to appear if they believe that doing so might have adverse consequences, such as on their career path within the <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Establishment">Establishment</a>, or otherwise.</p>
<p>A related issue concerns evidence currently classified under federal law; state authorities cannot declassify and release this information. A subpoena does not authorize a witness to disclose classified information to people not cleared to receive it. Doing so would put the witness in legal jeopardy, and, as we have seen from the US government’s response to the Wikileaks disclosures, the US government may consider information to be classified even when it’s publicly available.</p>
<p>A state-level investigative commission is not in a much better position than any other type of organization or even an individual, as far as securing access to records and testimony. Any member of the public (or an organization) can request Mandatory Declassification Review (MDR) of classified records, or request/sue for records under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). An ever-growing number of 9/11-related government records obtained this way are available for free download at <a href="http://911datasets.org/">911Datasets.org</a>.</p>
<p>There are other problems limiting the already limited effectiveness that a state-level 9/11 investigation would have. Commissions are regularly authorized under federal and state laws to conduct investigations, and issue reports and recommendations. Sometimes a commission’s findings are influential and their recommendations are adopted, but in many cases they are challenged, or simply ignored, and ultimately have no substantive effect. This is frequently the case when the findings or recommendations are not favored by the economic, social and political elites that control the federal government, most state governments and most of the major media, as would be the case with any findings that undermine the official 9/11 narrative. As noted in the <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a>, “the report itself does not have binding legal power.” A state commission may find many experts and witnesses willing to give testimony under oath – many have spoken at many 9/11 conferences. However, it is questionable whether this would significantly increase the amount of consideration given to a commission’s findings. Referrals for indictments can be made, but state, federal or international prosecutors are under no obligation to pursue them, or to investigate.</p>
<p>On its <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/6327YPN2O">About</a> page, the Campaign implies the Commission would be &#8220;free of governmental interference.&#8221; However, in most states, state legislatures can tamper with or overturn citizen initiatives. In <a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Colorado#Legislative_tampering">Colorado</a>, the primary state currently being targeted by the Campaign, an initiative can be overturned by a simple majority vote in the legislature. In <a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_North_Dakota#Legislative_tampering">North Dakota</a>, a secondary target, a 2/3 majority is required. In <a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Laws_governing_the_initiative_process_in_Massachusetts#Legislative_tampering">Massachusetts</a>, where the effort has been postponed until 2013/14, all that is needed is a simple majority. It might be argued that representatives in the legislature risk incurring the public&#8217;s wrath by doing so, but a persuasive case could be made to the public that the initiative would be a waste of taxpayer resources, given states&#8217; lack of authority over the federal government. In <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">Appendix A of the &#8220;Strategic Plan&#8221;</a> the Campaign acknowledges some of this information, concerning some of the states addressed.</p>
<p>Most Establishment Democrats and Republicans and mainstream journalists are committed – either through ideology, corruption or moral/psychological weakness – to the official 9/11 myth and to Establishment rule/ideology in general. It is to be expected they will work to undermine voter support for a state-level 9/11 investigation prior to passage of a law, and, should a law be passed, to undermine the integrity of any new 9/11 investigation, as well as any findings produced that significantly contradict the official 9/11 myth – without regard to the facts or the public interest in truth and justice. Unless and until the People, in sufficient numbers, reject domination and control of government, economy and society by big business and elites, and replace the Establishment&#8217;s federal representatives with true public servants, there is little possibility of an honest investigation of 9/11.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a> acknowledges the limited potential effectiveness of the Commission with repeated references to the importance of “public opinion” and “public pressure.” However, the public can be mobilized to take action within or outside the system without a state-level commission, and there’s no evidence a largely ineffective commission would be conducive to educating, organizing or mobilizing the public concerning accountability for 9/11. Rather, a commission (and the campaign to create one), by requiring substantial time, energy, money and other resources from the public, will detract from potentially more effective efforts.</p>
<p>II. Contrary to representations that have been made, the Campaign and proposed Commission are not structured in a way that makes them publicly accountable, nor does the Commission truly represent direct democracy, as the commissioners would not be chosen by the people.</p>
<p>A short history of the Campaign&#8217;s activities demonstrates why accountability and public oversight are needed: In <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-08/former-senator-mike-gravel-spearheads-california-911-truth-commission-initiative">October 2010</a>, Mike Gravel began fund-raising for a 9/11 investigation by California state ballot initiative; at this time no draft initiative text or proposed outline for a commission/investigation had been publicly presented. By <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/630VvoEjT">May 2011</a>, according to draft minutes of a conference call, Mike Gravel was abandoning the California effort as it was &#8220;hard to do because persons being placed on a Commission required a constitutional change,&#8221; and that Oregon and Alaska &#8220;were the focus efforts for the November 2012 election.&#8221; In <a href="http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Massachusetts_9/11_Investigation_Commission_Initiative_%282012%29">August 2011</a>, the Campaign filed a petition for the 2012 election in Massachusetts, and during that time <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wyswKfU">publicly stated it was seeking to raise $100,000 in conjunction with this effort</a>. Recently, <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62hoD4ERt">the Massachusetts effort was postponed to 2013/14</a>, as there is neither time nor funds to gather the required number of signatures to place the initiative on the ballot. Instead, the Campaign now seeks to raise <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">$1.12 million to fund campaign signature gathering and promotion in Colorado and North Dakota</a>. This apparent lack of foresight and preparation is disturbing &#8212; and even more so as, currently, over $1 million is being solicited from the public.</p>
<p>The public that supports the Campaign and the proposed Commission has little to no oversight over either one, as they are currently organized. The Campaign <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">Steering Committee</a> and <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/630Z9lWZu">Board of Directors</a> are currently composed of four self-selected members: Mike Gravel, Byron Belitsos, Ken Jenkins and George Ripley. According to the <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a>, these members will, at their discretion, “expand the Steering Committee to include the leaders of the initiative campaigns in the enacting states.” The <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a> also says the steering committee will choose the commissioners who will lead the 9/11 investigation. So does the <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/630UwAfS3">petition filed in Massachusetts for 2012</a>, which is a template for the Colorado and North Dakota initatives <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">(see Appendix A, Strategic Plan)</a>, as well any other state the campaign targets &#8212; including Massachusetts in 2013/14: “The Citizens 9/11 Investigation Commission Campaign Steering Committee, incorporated in the State of California, shall select 15 or more persons to serve as the initial members of the commission.” The Campaign has called this a “people’s investigatory Commission that is directly elected in a statewide election” (<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/61wJ48BkW">“Who Chooses” FAQ</a>), but this characterization is inaccurate; the people are not electing the commission. Rather, the people would be passing, by popular vote, a law authorizing a self-selected group of people to select another group of people to lead the commission. As neither the Campaign nor the proposed Commission are directly elected by the public, the public has no way to hold them accountable &#8212; such as by removing or replacing members &#8212; for their conduct of the campaign, investigation, use of funds and representations made to the public.</p>
<p>According to its recently issued <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">Strategic Plan</a>, the Campaign is seeking to incorporate as a <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/501c4#501.28c.29.284.29">501c4 non-profit organization</a>, and will be posting its articles and by-laws at the website at some point. It has not disclosed whether it will be creating a membership process with the board of directors and steering committee subject to election; if it does, this would create a measure of accountability and public oversight for the Campaign. The Commission members, however, would still be accountable only to the Campaign. The Campaign has made some <a href="http://9-11cc.org/index.php/financial-transparency-our-current-reports/">budgeting and accounting information available on its website</a>, but it is not obligated to do so; if it succeeds in incorporating as a non-profit, it will be required to report certain kinds of financial and other information.</p>
<p>Another problem is that the initiative petitions, as drafted <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">(see Strategic Plan, Appendix A</a> and <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/630UwAfS3">Massachusetts petition)</a>, do not require the proposed Commission’s administrative, financial and investigative records, or its meetings and hearings, to be open to the public; the text simply says the Commission is to issue a report, which is to include information in certain categories (<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/62vVbE77p">see Section 2(4)</a>). It may be that the respective states have disclosure and reporting requirements, but the interest of transparency and accountability, detailed disclosure and reporting requirements for a 9/11 investigative commission should be incorporated into any law authorizing one.</p>
<p>Even if the issues outlined in this Section II are adequately addressed, the effectiveness of a 9/11 investigation under state authority will be very limited, as established in Section I above. The main point of this section is to document that, despite the Campaign’s statements about direct democracy and people power, the organizers of the Citizens 9/11 Commission Campaign have not trusted the people with the power; instead, they have reserved it to themselves.</p>
<p>III. Conclusion</p>
<p>To summarize:</p>
<p>1) Regardless of what state an initiative is passed in, the commission proposed by the Citizens 9/11 Commission Campaign will be largely ineffective due to the US federal government’s sovereign immunity, and the discretion of state legislatures and attorneys general.</p>
<p>2) Even if a state investigation could be effective, the Campaign and proposed commission are not structured in a way that makes them publicly accountable. They do not truly represent direct democracy, or a circumvention of the Establishment and governmental processes.</p>
<p>3) The commission’s potential has been inaccurately represented by the Campaign. The law proposed would not well serve the cause of truth and justice for 9/11, and the Campaign and the Commission will consume a great deal of time, money and other resources, that would be better spent on educating, organizing and mobilizing the public to effect change through the system, and through non-violent direct action.</p>
<p>A new investigation of 9/11 is needed to establish truth and justice; to determine exactly what happened before, on and after the 9/11 attacks and who all the responsible parties are, and to hold them accountable. If the People take back control of the US government from the Establishment through the electoral process, this could be accomplished by a Congressional or criminal investigation. A <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/07/why-we-need-a-truth-and-reconciliation-commission.html">truth and reconciliation commission</a> is another option. At some point, if the balance of international power becomes more even, as a result of US economic decline and/or the development of other nations, an international coalition or court may be able compel disclosure and accountability concerning 9/11. This is an imperative for the international community as the false pretext of “9/11” has been used to justify the continuing ‘war on terror’, military interventions in Afghanistan, Iraq and elsewhere, and has led to the death of <a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html">well over a million civilians</a>, and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=us_torture_abuse">rendition, torture and indefinite detention</a> of hundreds, perhaps thousands of people.</p>
<p>Various public opinion polls have shown there is <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/09/poll-after-poll-shows-that-both-national-parties-are-deeply-unpopular-with-an-electorate-looking-for-something-new-and-different.html">broad dissatisfaction with the “two-party” monopoly</a>, as well as <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/September_11_attacks_opinion_polls">broad skepticism regarding the official account of 9/11</a>. A new investigation is not needed to understand that the official US government account of 9/11 is false, even fraudulent, and that the Establishment is unable or unwilling to confront this truth and establish justice. These websites provide plenty of evidence of this: <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">The Complete 9/11 Timeline</a> hosted by <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/">HistoryCommons.org</a>; <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/">911Research.WTC7.net</a>; <a href="http://www.911review.com/">911Review.com</a>; <a href="http://stj911.org/">STJ911.org</a>; <a href="http://journalof911studies.com/">Journalof911Studies.com</a>; <a href="http://ae911truth.org/">AE911Truth.org</a>. Simply acknowledging the inadequacy of the official account and calling for a new investigation undermines the Establishment’s mere appearance of legitimacy, and it reduces the power that “9/11” has over the human psyche. People can make decisions based on this knowledge, such as by boycotting Establishment politicians and media, and supporting alternatives through speaking, writing, voting, spending, organizing and other forms of activism.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/12/each-of-our-individual-voices-is-more.html">Each of our Individual Voices Is More Important Than We&#8217;ve Realized</a> and <a href="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/05/false-logic-of-hopelessness.html">The False Logic of Hopelessness (Why the Elephant Should Stand Up to the Mouse)</a> by George Washington.</p>
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		<title>Deconstructing the 9/11 Dot Disconnection: a book review by Erik Larson</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is a non-controversial fact that the NSA, CIA and FBI missed a number of opportunities to disrupt the 9/11 plot. Many, but not all, of these failures were documented by the four main investigations that dealt with pre-9/11 intelligence failures: those by the Congressional Joint Inquiry, the 9/11 Commission, the Department of Justice Inspector General and the CIA Inspector General. The best-known investigation, the 9/11 Commission, ultimately concluded that 9/11 was preceded by “four kinds of failures: in imagination, policy, capabilities, and management” (339). This is the narrative largely held to by mainstream politicians and media, but these explanations do not credibly account for what happened at the NSA, CIA and FBI in the years, months and weeks leading up to 9/11. This has been demonstrated by a number of researchers, but Kevin Fenton’s* book, Disconnecting the Dots, has the most comprehensive documentation and in-depth analysis to date. Primarily using the official reports, the available source records and some reporting by mainstream media and journalists, Fenton documents how specific CIA and FBI officials engaged in deliberate efforts to protect the 9/11 plot from discovery and disruption by FBI investigators, and that the most probable explanation is that this was done in order to enable the 9/11 attacks. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disconnecting the Dots: How CIA and FBI officials enabled 9/11 and evaded government investigations, by Kevin Fenton. Waltersville, OR: Trine Day, 2011. 416 pages.</p>
<p>“Enabling 9/11 was a job done at the office, with memos” (15).</p>
<p>It is a non-controversial fact that the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=national_security_agency">NSA</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=central_intelligence_agency">CIA</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_bureau_of_investigation">FBI</a> missed a number of opportunities to disrupt the 9/11 plot. Many, but not all, of these failures were documented by the four main investigations that dealt with pre-9/11 intelligence failures: those by the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=911CongressionalInquiry">Congressional Joint Inquiry</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=911Commission">the 9/11 Commission</a>, the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=office_of_the_inspector_general_,_us_department_of_justice">Department of Justice Inspector General</a> and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=complete_911_timeline_cia_oig_9_11_report">CIA Inspector General</a>. The best-known investigation, the 9/11 Commission, ultimately concluded that 9/11 was preceded by “four kinds of failures: in imagination, policy, capabilities, and management” (339). This is the narrative largely held to by mainstream politicians and media, but these explanations do not credibly account for what happened at the NSA, CIA and FBI in the years, months and weeks leading up to 9/11. This has been demonstrated by a number of researchers, but <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/user.jsp?oid=1631453644-611">Kevin Fenton</a>’s* book, <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disconnecting-Dots-How-Allowed-Happen/dp/0984185852/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/188-5436035-8350026">Disconnecting the Dots</a></em>, has the most comprehensive documentation and in-depth analysis to date. Primarily using the official reports, the available source records and some reporting by mainstream media and journalists, Fenton documents how specific CIA and FBI officials engaged in deliberate efforts to protect the 9/11 plot from discovery and disruption by FBI investigators, and that the most probable explanation is that this was done in order to enable the 9/11 attacks.</p>
<p><span id="more-171"></span>One of Fenton’s major strengths is that he limits himself to his area of expertise; <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disconnecting-Dots-How-Allowed-Happen/dp/0984185852/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/188-5436035-8350026">Disconnecting the Dots</a> </em>is narrowly focused on the pre-9/11 intelligence failures and the official investigations of these failures. The book is a complex and dense compilation of interrelated names, dates, bits of information and sequences of events, a situation that is unavoidable due to the complex nature of the subject. Fortunately for the reader, Fenton’s style and presentation are simple and lucid, which helps make the complicated and often unclear nature of the subject more easily understood. Whenever possible, he names those responsible for the decisions and actions being examined, though this is sometimes impossible due to the limited amount of information that has been made public. Whenever a particularly complex set of issues or series of events have been examined in a chapter, Fenton provides a summary at the end of that chapter, and at a number of points in the book he summarizes what can be understood from the pattern of facts presented up to that point. His analysis considers the full range of available evidence, assesses the quality of individual pieces and does not go beyond the evidence. When he does draw conclusions they are generally conservative and understated, and he is careful to address other possible explanations for the evidence.</p>
<p>The way the book is structured is useful. It is composed of 50 short chapters plus a prologue and epilogue, two appendixes, a section with copies of supporting documents, a selected bibliography and an index. The book proceeds largely in chronological order, with each chapter focused on a particular development in the chain of events leading to 9/11, or on the way subsequent investigations dealt with these things. The chapter titles are derived from revealing and significant statements, mostly from official sources, that convey the subject or main idea of that chapter. Footnotes are used instead of endnotes; for every statement of fact, the reader can simply look to the bottom of that page to see what the source is.</p>
<p>Fenton begins his book in 1996, which is when the NSA began surveillance of Osama bin Laden associate Ahmed al-Hada’s <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext=%22yemen+hub%22&amp;events=on&amp;entities=on&amp;articles=on&amp;topics=on&amp;timelines=on&amp;projects=on&amp;titles=on&amp;descriptions=on&amp;dosearch=on&amp;search=Go">Al Qaeda safe house and communications hub in Yemen</a>. The NSA did not willingly share this intelligence with the CIA or the FBI at first. The CIA discovered the NSA surveillance by accident, and bin Laden unit (Alec Station) chief <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michael_scheuer">Michael Scheuer</a> fought hard to get transcripts from NSA, but was only briefly successful. The CIA began independently monitoring the Yemen hub, but was apparently only able to intercept the incoming side of communications. According to one report, however, at some point it managed to bug the house. After Scheuer was replaced by Richard Blee, the NSA agreed to allow the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center (of which Alec Station was a part) to detail officers to NSA to review transcripts, but the CTC only detailed one officer, and only for a brief period of time in 2000. The plots for the 1998 US embassy bombings in Africa (over 200 dead, 4000 injured), the 2000 attack on the USS Cole (17 US sailors killed) and the 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (nearly 3000 dead) all involved communications to this hub and persons associated with it, yet intelligence from NSA or CIA monitoring was not used to thwart any of these plots.</p>
<p>The NSA monitored calls made by alleged 9/11 hijackers <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=khalid_almihdhar">Khalid Almihdhar</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=nawaf_alhazmi">Nawaf Alhazmi</a> to the Yemen hub during their time in the US. It has been reported that NSA was technologically incapable of tracing the US end of calls and was simultaneously reluctant to do so because of FISA restrictions on monitoring calls that have one end in the US. Besides the internal contradiction, these claims are dubious because the FBI was able to create a map of Al Qaeda’s global network based on Yemen hub intercepts, and because NSA could have easily obtained authorization under FISA law at the time. Fenton also devotes a chapter to the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=civilliberties_232#civilliberties_232">NSA’s pre-9/11 warrantless monitoring</a> which was done in conjunction with the major telecommunications providers, a clearly illegal program which apparently has never been investigated. Another chapter examines <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger">DOD SOCOM’s Able Danger data-mining program</a>, which reportedly identified Mohammed Atta and other alleged operatives in the US prior to 9/11.</p>
<p>The bulk of Fenton’s book is devoted to CIA and FBI failures, and principally concerning the presence in the US of Almihdhar and Alhazmi. This is partly because investigations of NSA activities by the Joint Inquiry and 9/11 Commission were superficial, and very little information about what they did learn has been made public. It is also because the CIA and FBI’s failures are so significant. The ‘failures’ were not a small number of isolated mistakes spread among many people in a large bureaucracy, and concerning people unknown to the CIA. Rather, a small number of people at the CIA, principally in Alec Station, repeatedly performed in ways that facilitated the activities of a small number of Al Qaeda operatives who had already been linked to Yemen hub and the 1998 US embassy bombings; a high profile, mass-casualty attack on US interests.</p>
<p>According to Fenton’s research, two figures clearly bear great responsibility for obstructing the FBI and national security principals regarding Almihdhar and Alhazmi; these are former Alec Station chief <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=rich_b._1">Richard Blee</a> and one of his deputy chiefs, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=tom_wilshire_1">Tom Wilshere</a> (aka Tom Wilshire). Obstructive actions by their subordinates and personnel at other CIA stations are also documented. On multiple separate occasions in 2000 and 2001 when it was brought to his attention, Wilshere failed to watchlist Almihdhar and Alhazmi, and failed to notify the FBI that they possessed US visas and had traveled to the US. On at least one occasion, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a010400ciamislead#a010400ciamislead">January 5, 2000</a>, Wilshere explicitly instructed, through his subordinate <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=michelle_1">“Michelle,”</a> that an FBI detailee to the CIA, Doug Miller, was not to notify the FBI about Almihdhar’s US visa. This demonstrates that both Miller and Wilshere recognized the significance of this information at the time. Additional evidence that this was recognized as significant is the fact that Michelle then sent a cable to several CIA stations informing them that the US visa information had been passed to the FBI, though it had not. In <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a0501wilshirejoinsrolince#a0501wilshirejoinsrolince">May 2001</a>, Wilshere was detailed to the FBI’s International Terrorist Operations Section (ITOS) where he worked directly with section head Michael Rolince. While there, he continued to withhold information from the FBI, and also undermined FBI agents attempting to open criminal investigations into <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=zacarias_moussaoui">Zacharias Moussaoui</a> and Almihdhar, which would almost certainly have led to the disruption of the 9/11 plot.</p>
<p>The clearest documentary evidence implicates Wilshere and certain CIA subordinates and colleagues (FBI analyst <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=dina_corsi_1">Dina Corsi</a> is involved in a number of significant incidents of obstruction, including the provision of false information to FBI agents, and so are other FBI officials), but much of the evidence implicating Wilshere indirectly implicates Blee. For instance, Blee was almost certainly one of the Counterterrorist Center (CTC) officials that received three July 2001 emails from Wilshere that demonstrated his awareness and understanding of the links between Alhmidar and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=tawifiq_%28_khallad_%29_bin_attash">Khallad bin Attash</a>, and between them and an impending massive attack on US interests.</p>
<p>Direct evidence of wrongdoing on Blee’s part includes his falsely informing Black and Tenet on two occasions that surveillance of Al Qaeda operatives at the Kuala Lumpur meeting was ongoing, when officially it had stopped. Also, there is no record of Blee informing his superiors, CTC Director Cofer Black and DCI George Tenet, about Almihdhar and Alhazmi’s travel to the US, or about Almidhar’s return to the US, which Wilshere officially learned of on August 22, and may have learned of in early July, and would have informed Blee about. Fenton considers that Blee may have been hiding this information from them and they may have been ignorant of it, or that they may have indicated to Blee that they did not want an official record of their awareness of certain information, which could later implicate them in wrongdoing.</p>
<p>It is difficult to believe Tenet and Black were unaware of Almihdhar and Alhazmi’s US travel, but there’s no documentary evidence or witness testimony that they were. The CIA IG executive summary states that in early 2000 some 50-60 personnel at CIA, from managers to junior employees, at HQ and foreign stations, read one or more of six cables pertaining to the US travel. After 9/11, both Tenet and Black made false statements under oath that had the effect of shielding Blee and others from accountability. Fenton observes that while they may have been involved in facilitating 9/11, these lies may have stemmed from a calculus that covering up served larger interests, such as protecting the CIA from being disrupted during the ‘war on terror’, and preserving their own status and reputations.</p>
<p>In attempting to explain the facts (I’ve provide an incomplete summary of a small number of those included in Fenton’s book), some observers have maintained that incompetence, negligence, interagency mistrust and rivalries, and personality conflicts played a role in the pre-9/11 obstruction. Others, including <a href="http://www.secrecykills.com/">former Bush administration counter-terrorism czar Richard Clarke</a>, have suggested that the CIA’s failure to pass on information to the FBI and high level national security principals was an effort to prevent interference with a CIA operation to penetrate Al Qaeda operations in the US, perhaps to develop intelligence on their network or to recruit operatives as double agents. Some have alleged that alleged 9/11 hijackers Khalid Almihdhar and Nawaf Alhazmi were Saudi agents before or after joining Al Qaeda, and ultimately double or triple-crossed their handlers. Still others have proposed that some in the Saudi royal family and GID desired an attack on the US, and provided financial and other assistance. According to these views, the failure of official investigations to get at the ‘whole truth,’ can be explained as stemming from the Establishment’s desire to protect important foreign relations, and to prevent embarrassment, distraction and/or the exposure of an illegal but well-intentioned CIA operation during a time when the full resources of these agencies, plus Saudi oil, were needed to defend the US and fight the ‘war on terror.’</p>
<p>Fenton convincingly demonstrates that these explanations also cannot credibly account for the full range of facts on the public record, and that the most probable scenario is that Blee and/or Wilshere and possibly others intentionally facilitated the 9/11 attacks, with the cooperation of subordinates who may have been unaware of the true purpose of their actions. If the goal was simply to develop intelligence on al Qaeda’s US network or recruit operatives as double agents, then the 9/11 plot could have been disrupted prior to the attacks. Almihdhar and Alhazmi’s activities in the US would have been monitored, and logistical elements of the plot plus most or all of the other members of the network would have become apparent, given the relatively poor security procedures followed by the alleged hijackers.</p>
<p>Some have suggested that the CIA’s sharing of some information with the FBI, State and INS after August 22 is evidence the CIA had stopped protecting Almihdhar and Alhazmi. However, this idea is undermined by the fact that Wilshere and Corsi, in particular, withheld other information, and worked to prevent the opening of a criminal investigation, which was both permissible and justified, despite false information to the contrary provided by Corsi. Again, there is nothing in the public record to indicate Blee passed on the information about the presence of Almihdhar and Alhazmi in the US to his superiors. These are not the actions of officials who are trying to prevent an attack on the US.</p>
<p>Many in the US government national security structure, including Blee and Wilshere, were aware in July and August 2001 that a large-scale spectacular attack against US interests was in the works; the infamous <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a071001tenetwarnsrice#a071001tenetwarnsrice">July 10 Rice-Tenet-Black-Blee meeting</a> makes this clear, and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a080601ranchmemo#a080601ranchmemo">August 6 PDB</a> indicates the plot could be targeting US cities and involve hijacked planes. Those shielding Almihdhar and Alhazmi would have known they were playing with fire, and that they could get burnt should their illegal operation be uncovered by the investigations that could be expected to follow such a massive and destructive intelligence failure.</p>
<p>Instead, many of those involved in obstructing FBI investigations were promoted after 9/11, including Blee, who replaced Gary Berntsen as the CIA station chief in Kabul, Afghanistan (a premier front in the so-called ‘war on terror’) shortly before the failure to capture Osama bin Laden at Tora Bora. Blee also played a role in the development and management of rendition, interrogation and torture programs under the Bush administration. Fenton notes that while some of those involved in these programs may have believed they were important for US national security, others would certainly have understood that torture often produces false confessions and could be used to extract confessions useful for making a case for linking Iraq to 9/11. Indeed, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a042209suskindconnect#a042209suskindconnect">false confessions were used in exactly this way</a>. CIA control of access to prisoners would also prevent the FBI from asking questions and possibly receiving information regarding the CIA’s pre-9/11 failures.</p>
<p>How the four investigations dealt with the intelligence failures is also a major focus of Fenton’s book. His strongest criticism is of the DOJ IG and the 9/11 Commission reports, though he notes problems with all four official investigations. A critique of the full CIA IG report is not possible as only an executive summary has been released, but as Fenton observes, the report was rewritten under pressure from then DCI Porter Goss. Problems include conflicts of interest, failure to pursue lines of inquiry pointing to malfeasance, apparent acceptance at face value of witness inability to recall key events, allowing agency ‘minders’ to be present during interviews, and omissions and distortions of key evidence.</p>
<p>In some cases the public reports name certain people (usually with an alias) in connection with specific mistakes made, but in other cases they do not. In some cases errors are implicitly documented but not acknowledged as such, while in other cases they are overtly acknowledged but explained away, noted superficially in passing, or relegated to an endnote. In some cases, important evidence is entirely omitted. For instance, there is no mention, let alone discussion, in the redacted Joint Inquiry report, the unclassified DOJ IG report, or the 9/11 Commission Report, of <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a072301wilshirekhalladconnection#a072301wilshirekhalladconnection">Wilshere’s July 23 email</a>, which clearly demonstrated that, during a time in which he had been obstructing FBI investigations and would continue to do so, Wilshere understood that bin Attash and Almihdhar would be involved in the next attack, which was widely believed would be massive. The official reports did not conclude that any of the ‘failures’ were intentional, but it is not apparent from the reports whether this line of investigation was even pursued. No one at NSA, CIA or FBI has been held accountable as a result of these investigations, even for negligence or incompetence.</p>
<p>Fenton gives special attention to the work of <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=barbara_grewe_1">Barbara Grewe</a>, a principal investigator of CIA-FBI issues for both the DOJ and 9/11 Commission. The presence of minders is an obvious conflict of interest, and <a href="https://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/04/27/newly-released-memo-government-‘minders’-at-911-commission-interviews-‘intimidated’-witnesses/">some 9/11 Commission staffers formally objected to this</a>, concluding that witnesses were being intimidated and that minders were otherwise interfering with interviews, but Grewe asserted to the Commissioners that minders were not causing problems. Grewe conducted or was involved interviews of many key witnesses, such as Richard Blee, Tom Wilshere and Dina Corsi, and drafted the related sections of the reports, which contain a number of significant omissions, distortions, discrepancies and contradictions.</p>
<p>Fenton also notes the influence of <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=philip_zelikow">Philip Zelikow</a> regarding certain aspects of the 9/11 Commission investigation and its final report. Zelikow was the Commission’s executive director, though he had extensive conflicts of interest, including a personal friendship with <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=george_w._bush">George W. Bush</a>’s National Security Advisor, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=condoleezza_rice">Condoleezza Rice</a>. Zelikow reportedly exercised great control over the choice of staff, the direction of the investigation and the drafting of the final report. It is difficult to see how certain omissions and distortions in the official reports can be anything other than deliberate efforts to manipulate official and public perception of the 9/11 events.</p>
<p>Fenton concludes the documentary record raises serious questions about the conduct of personnel at NSA and FBI, but what can be clearly established is that Blee and Wilshere were working to protect Almihdhar and Alhazmi from discovery and arrest by the FBI. In doing so, they were assisted by the actions of CIA and FBI colleagues and subordinates, some or all whom may have been misled about the purpose of their actions. Tenet and Black may have been involved, but there is no hard evidence they were aware, prior to 9/11, of efforts to protect Almihdhar and Alhazmi. Following 9/11, they protected those whose ‘failures’ contributed to 9/11, including by making false statements under oath. The official investigations were inadequate, and the public reports are misleading in many respects. These may be evidence of a cover up.</p>
<p>Fenton does not assert that the motives of either Blee or Wilshere can be determined by the evidence made public so far. The question as to why they did what they did remains, with the purpose of facilitating the 9/11 attacks being the most probable explanation that, in Fenton’s opinion, is supported by the public evidence. He notes that a great deal of documentary evidence remains suppressed, and states the public will have a clearer understanding of 9/11 when certain records are made public. He believes, however, that a truly independent inquiry would be needed to get to the whole truth about the intelligence failures surrounding 9/11.</p>
<p>I agree with Fenton that a new investigation into 9/11 is needed. It seems unlikely, though, that Blee was the highest-level person involved in a plot to protect the 9/11 hijackers in order to enable 9/11. In my view, it is more probable that Blee himself would have been installed, recruited or manipulated by, or working in conjunction with, a covert and powerful insider network that sought a 9/11 event as a catalyst for wars to control regions with geo-strategic resources in declining supply as global demand rises; establish a US national security state; secure massive long-term public spending on the military-corporate complex; and renew and extend the global power of the US as their empire. In his prologue and epilogue, Fenton acknowledges this possibility, but it is not something he believes can be concluded is a fact, based on the public evidence. It is noteworthy that this was the pre-9/11 agenda of the <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Pnac">Project for the New American Century</a>, many of whose members became principals in the George W. Bush administration, and that this ‘coincidence’ was not examined by the 9/11 Commission or the mainstream media. There is other indirect and circumstantial evidence for a plot larger than Blee and Wilshere surrounding the intelligence failures, as well as evidence concerning other aspects of the 9/11 events, as well as the big picture. As this evidence is either below Fenton’s standards or outside his area of expertise, he’s unwilling to base conclusions on it.</p>
<p>I don’t have any particular expertise, but I do think this evidence is considerable. For instance, someone might have been able to predict that the Bush administration would wage a war on Al Qaeda following a mass-casualty attack on US soil. They might also have known that a pretext for such a war was desired. It does not seem likely, however, that a CIA station chief – an important but not high-level position &#8211; could be confident that they would not simultaneously be made a scapegoat if their unit was directly responsible for failing to prevent a successful Al Qaeda attack on US soil, let alone not held accountable for willfully obstructing the FBI from doing so, as the documentary record indicates happened. Rather, it seems likely that Blee would have required assurance that he would be protected from any fallout over CIA’s failure to prevent the attacks; on his own authority he did not have the power to derail official inquiries and turn them into the whitewashes they ultimately turned out to be.</p>
<p>CIA personnel not under Blee’s command – at stations in Yemen, Bangkok and Pakistan – acted in ways that are difficult to explain as anything other than deliberate attempts to conceal information about Almihdhar and Alhazmi from the FBI, and from personnel at other CIA stations, such as the one in Kuala Lumpur. And, as Fenton documents, FBI HQ personnel Dave Frasca, Michael Maltbie and Rita Flack, along with Tom Wilshere, consistently undermined the attempts of Minneapolis FBI agents to investigate Moussaoui. Fenton notes that it isn’t clear whose idea it was to do so. However, as he also observes, it was obvious at the time to other FBI and CIA personnel that Moussaoui was a threat, and that HQ’s stated reasons for blocking a criminal or FISA investigation were bogus. It seems likely this would have been obvious to Frasca, Maltbie and Flack. They had reason to understand what they were doing was wrong, potentially criminal, and that a terrorist attack might be the result. It seems unlikely they would simply trust the judgment of Wilshere, a recently-transferred CIA manager. The CIA was an agency with which the FBI had a long history of inconsistent cooperation and some level of rivalry. As Wilshere and Blee would be personally unable to protect them from any fallout, it defies my imagination how they could have been convinced to go along with these efforts, unless they knew they would be rewarded in some way, and protected from any fallout.</p>
<p>Other examples, noted by Fenton, include surveillance of Al Qaeda operatives in the US by Saudi and Israeli intelligence; the shut down of Able Danger; the NSA’s pre-9/11 warrantless monitoring of US persons; and the failure of four separate official investigations to conclude there was wrongdoing, despite documenting evidence of it. All of these things individually are difficult to explain if Blee is the highest-level person with full knowledge of a goal to enable 9/11. When considered together, it is difficult to believe these are a coincidence; that Blee got lucky, over and over. However, none of this is direct evidence, and conceivably the whole truth is more complex. A full investigation is in order.</p>
<p>In the epilogue, Fenton acknowledges the existence of many other unanswered 9/11 questions. He questions whether there was a relationship between the failures outlined in the book and other “alleged failures” surrounding 9/11 – specifically the failure to intercept any of the hijacked airliners over a nearly two hour period – and states the only way this can be resolved is with a “new, credible investigation” (394). Assuming there is a relationship – and coincidence/luck seems unlikely – then a plot to facilitate 9/11 must have existed which was much larger than Blee. However, these other areas are outside of Fenton’s area of expertise, and, being cautious and conservative regarding a very serious matter, he only points to these as areas deserving of closer scrutiny, and does not render prior judgment on what a full investigation might uncover. In my view, his credibility is enhanced by his refusal to do so. He supports a credible investigation, and that is what is needed.</p>
<p>If someone wants to gain a broader understanding of 9/11, I would recommend visiting the site Fenton contributes to, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/">HistoryCommons.org</a>, in particular the section called <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">The Complete 9/11 Timeline</a>. Two other very useful web-based resources are <a href="http://www.911research.wtc7.net/">911Research.WTC7.net</a> and <a href="http://www.911review.com/">911Review.COM</a>. Three credible books dealing with a broader focus are: <em>The</em> <em>Complete 9/11 Timeline</em> by Paul Thompson; <em>The Road to 9/11</em> by Peter Dale Scott; and <em>The War on Truth</em> by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed.</p>
<p><em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disconnecting-Dots-How-Allowed-Happen/dp/0984185852/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/188-5436035-8350026">Disconnecting the Dots</a> </em>is a valuable aid to those seeking to understand what happened at NSA, CIA and FBI leading up to 9/11, who was involved, what evidence is available, and what are some of the lines of investigation that need to be pursued. This book is also useful for understanding how this information and these questions fit into the whole of the events surrounding and intersecting 9/11, for those who are familiar with, or will research other areas of 9/11. One will not gain a broad understanding of the entirety of the problems with the official 9/11 conspiracy theory from this book, but, by itself, it disproves the Establishment’s explanation of 9/11 and proposes a much more probable explanation. It is clear that a new investigation is called for simply based on the evidence and analysis presented in it. Any new investigation cannot itself be considered credible if it does not account for the facts in the contexts Fenton presents them, does not pursue the questions he raises, and does not conduct itself in a transparent manner, including by compelling those named to testify in public under oath, and by making the underlying records public.</p>
<p>*Disclosure: Kevin Fenton and I are both contributors to <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/">HistoryCommons.org.</a> In addition, many of the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/911DocumentArchive">9/11 Commission records</a> that Fenton cites in <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disconnecting-Dots-How-Allowed-Happen/dp/0984185852/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top/188-5436035-8350026">Disconnecting the Dots</a> </em>were obtained by me, from the National Archives.</p>
<p>An interview I conducted with Fenton on August 8, 2011 is kindly being hosted by Jeff Hill at <a href="http://www.pumpitout.com/">PumpItOut.com</a>:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pumpitout.com/disconnectingthedots.html">http://www.pumpitout.com/disconnectingthedots.html</a></p>
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<p>Beginning with his book <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=w7-mnduSpeQC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=new+pearl+harbor+griffin&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=x-VSTeT6GMT_lge0ub26Cg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&amp;q=olson&amp;f=false">New Pearl Harbor</a></em> (2004) <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/griffin.html">David Ray Griffin</a> raised questions concerning the veracity of reports of phone calls from the 9/11 hijacked airliners, specifically, Ted Olson’s account. Since at least 2006, he has promoted a theory that the 9/11 plane passenger phone calls were faked, and has speculated this was done with <a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006091418303369">‘voice-morphing’ technology</a>. He’s done this in many different <a href="//localhost/search">articles</a>, in <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;safe=off&amp;tbo=1&amp;tbs=bks%3A1&amp;q=inauthor%3A%22David+Ray+Griffin%22+%22cell+phone%22&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=">books</a>, in <a href="http://911blogger.com/node/14394">speaking appearances</a>, in interviews on <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2007-07-10/david-ray-griffin-jeff-farias-radio-show-tues-july-10-2007-3pm-pt-6pm-et">radio</a> and <a href="http://911blogger.com/node/22192">television</a>, and in a <a href="http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/1270">debate with Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone magazine</a>. In his 1/12/10 essay, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Phone Calls from the 9/11 Airliners: Response to Questions Evoked by My Fifth Estate Interview</a>, David Ray Griffin gives the most comprehensive overview of this theory to date, as well as a response to critics, which include people who support a new 9/11 investigation. A Professor Emeritus and skilled rhetorician, Griffin makes a case that is seemingly compelling. However, as I show in this essay, there is no actual evidence the phone calls were faked, while there is a substantial body of evidence demonstrating the calls were not only possible, but did happen. There are <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">many credible reasons</a> to <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/">doubt the official 9/11 story</a> and <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/">support a full investigation</a>, but the cause of compelling a new 9/11 investigation is undermined by the promotion of theories that are flawed, and not based on hard evidence. In addition, the claim that the phone calls were faked is obviously <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/no-phone.html">offensive to those family members who spoke with passengers before they died</a>, and it has the potential to drive a wedge between truth and justice activists and potential allies among the family members, many of whom support a full investigation.</p>
<p><span id="more-162"></span>Besides these shortcomings, <a href="http://www.vcreporter.com/cms/story/detail/conspiracy_theologian/5834/">Griffin himself pointed out in 2008</a> that promoting theories is not only unnecessary, but can work to the advantage of ‘debunkers’:</p>
<blockquote><p>I made a big point of not developing such a theory, and even encouraging members of the movement not to do this &#8230; No, you don&#8217;t have to have a theory. When you develop a theory, that&#8217;s what the debunkers love, they want to say, that&#8217;s nonsense and take attention away from all the evidence we have marshaled to show the official story is false.</p></blockquote>
<p>Certainly, ‘debunker’ websites such as 9/11 Myths have <a href="http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Cellphone_calls_faked">easily exposed flaws in the voice morphing theory</a>: For instance, though the technology existed at the time, the inventor, George Papcun, has commented that voice-morphing a conversation in near real time would be more complex than fabricating a simple recorded statement, and would require an extensive recording as a sample. It would be even more difficult to fool the subject’s family members, who, in addition to being familiar with the person’s voice, would be familiar with their unique communication style and intimate details of their lives. One victim, <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/26103870/T7-B13-DOJ-Doc-Req-35-13-Packet-13-Fdr-Entire-Contents-Linda-Gronlund-Call-Transcript-786">Linda Gronlund</a>, even left the combination to her safe on her sister’s voice mail. None of the family members who spoke with the passengers, or heard the messages they left, had any doubts it was their loved ones who called. Finally, some of those who made calls hadn’t booked their flights until the day before 9/11, meaning it would have been extremely difficult, if not impossible, to get an adequate voice sample, even assuming the perpetrators could tap anyone’s phone at anytime: Jeremy Glick, Mark Bingham, Honor Elizabeth Wainio and possibly Ed Felt. Some, including Griffin <a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=2006091418303369">in previous essays</a>, have suggested that Mark Bingham’s use of his full name when speaking to his mother is suspicious. First, it would be very unlikely that persons faking phone calls would introduce an element that would be a red flag to their family and outside observers. Second, <a href="http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Mom%2C_this_is_Mark_Bingham">Bingham’s mother</a> (who has a different last name: Hoglan) has said that he did this on occasion; is it realistic to think voice-morphing perps learned this idiosyncrasy at the last minute and exploited it, let alone base accusations on it?</p>
<p>In his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin doesn’t use the term voice morphing, and makes one brief claim related to this particular theory: “… what alternative is there except to conclude that someone fabricated at least one, and probably both, of these calls, a device that, besides replicating the impersonated persons’ voices, also caused their cell phone numbers to appear?” Instead, throughout the essay, he focuses on making a case that the reports of cell phone calls were accurate, that cell phone calls from the 9/11 planes weren’t possible and, therefore, were faked, and that this implies the air phone calls were also faked. However, this is still a theory, and one that isn’t supported by evidence, as I will show. In addition, this theory is just as offensive to the victims’ family members as the voice morphing theory, as it means that either the phone calls were faked by voice morphing, or that passengers &#8211; and/or their family members &#8211; participated in a deception.</p>
<p>In the introduction to his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin explains it was prompted by discussion following a 911Blogger post of a Youtube clip from his appearance on the CBC program Fifth Estate, and that he is addressing &#8220;the most important&#8221; &#8220;claims contradicting [his] position&#8221;:</p>
<p>1. “The FBI has not admitted that cell phone calls from high-altitude airliners on 9/11 were impossible.”</p>
<p>2. “There is no evidence that some of the reported 9/11 phone calls were faked.”</p>
<p>3. “American Airlines’ [AAL] Boeing 757s, and hence its Flight 77, had onboard phones.”</p>
<p>4. “The FBI’s report on phone calls from the 9/11 airliners did not undermine Ted Olson’s report about receiving phone calls from his wife.”</p>
<p>I’ve followed the same outline in this examination of Griffin’s essay, his fake calls theory in general, and related evidence. The 911Blogger post of Griffin’s CBC interview is here:<a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/22192">David Ray Griffin on the 9/11 Cell Phone Calls: Exclusive CBC Interview</a>. In his essay, Griffin also quotes from and responds to an essay written by jimd3100 in response to the CBC interview, <a href="http://911blogger.com/node/22214">‘Fake’ Phone Calls? What The Evidence Shows</a>.</p>
<p><strong>1. “The FBI has not admitted that cell phone calls from high-altitude airliners on 9/11 were impossible.”</strong></p>
<p>In the introduction to Part 1 of his essay, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin acknowledges</a>, &#8220;It is true that the FBI has never explicitly stated that such calls are impossible, or at least too improbable to affirm.&#8221; However, he goes on to argue that, as the FBI took the public position at the Moussaoui trial that, “13 of the terrified passengers and crew members made 35 air phone calls and two cell phone calls,” that it was the FBI&#8217;s implicit position cell phone calls were not possible from the 9/11 flights. This does not logically follow; it may be the FBI found there were 35 air phone and two cell phone calls. Also, the FBI’s statement reveals nothing about FBI’s position on the ability to make cell phone calls from planes on September 11, 2001.</p>
<p>In a subsection of Part 1 titled, “The FBI’s Revised Public Position,” Griffin alleges that at one time the FBI took the position that a greater number of cell phone calls had been made, and that this changed. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin states</a>, “Previously, the FBI had supported the idea – at least by not contradicting press reports spreading it – that there were over ten cell phone calls from Flight 93.” But, the FBI’s failure to state a public position or correct press reports is not the same as the FBI having a public position on an issue. The FBI is not in the business of correcting misinformation circulated by the media or general public, and commonly refuses to comment publicly on investigations in progress. If the FBI has a “public position” on an issue, it is made known through a spokesperson, their website, and/or at a trial or some other legal proceeding.</p>
<p><strong>2. “There is no evidence that some of the reported 9/11 phone calls were faked.”</strong></p>
<p>In this section Griffin does not present evidence of faked calls. Instead, he cites a number of media reports and witness statements to the FBI regarding passengers and crew using cell phones, and argues, based on other reports, that cell phone calls from planes were impossible in 2001. From this, he argues the reported calls from the flights must have been faked, and the FBI and 9/11 Commission have covered this up. However, some of the reports of cell phones being used are contradicted by reports of air phones being used, as well as call records that show air phones being used. There’s also evidence that cell phone calls from planes were possible before 2001. In addition, Griffin doesn’t consider the possibility that cell phone repeaters could have been placed on the 9/11 flights.</p>
<p>In Part 1 of his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin listed five people on United Airlines (UAL) 93, two on UAL 175, one on American Airlines (AAL) 11 and one on AAL 77 who had made “approximately 15 … phone calls [which] were described at the time as cell phone calls.” According to this <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">UAL call record (pp. 25-26)</a>, between UAL 175 and UAL 93, at least 18 different people made a total of 46 different air phone calls, including all seven of the UAL passengers for whom Griffin cites media reports of cell phone calls (<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/26103892">additional GTE records here</a>). (Disclosure: the preceding 9/11 Commission records and the others cited in this essay, as well as the ones cited by Griffin in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, were scanned at the National Archives and uploaded to <a href="http://www.Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive">Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive</a> by me. The entire set can be downloaded for free from <a href="http://911datasets.org/index.php/NARA_9-11_Commission_Records_-_Released_Jan_14_2009">911DataSets.org</a>). For some reason, two UAL 93 cell phone calls &#8211; the ones made by CeeCee Lyles and Ed Felt at 9:58 am &#8211; are also listed on the a <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">UAL call record (p. 25)</a>. Most likely, these were added later, either by UAL or FBI personnel, probably as an aid in sorting out the phone call information; explanatory notes in underlined type were added to the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">Claircom/AT&amp;T records for American Airlines (AAL) (pp. 2-24)</a>.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin acknowledges</a> that, &#8220;People do, of course, make mistakes, especially in stressful situations. They may misunderstand, or misremember, what they were told.&#8221; He then asks, &#8220;But is it plausible that so many people would have made the same mistake, wrongly thinking that they had been told by the people calling them that they were using cell phones?&#8221; In some cases, the person called may simply have assumed the person was talking to them on a cell phone, or just didn’t consider the distinction between an air phone and a cell phone to be significant. Or, as Griffin said, some may have misunderstood or misremembered what the caller told them.</p>
<p>It may also be that some of the media reports were simply wrong. In addition to sources sometimes being incorrect, reporters are human and have made mistakes &#8211; media have reported misinformation as fact on many occasions. Jeremy Glick and Honor Elizabeth Wanio are two people for whom Griffin cites media reports of them making calls on cell phones. However, these reports are contradicted by this <a href="http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011028flt93mainstoryp7.asp">10/28/01 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette article</a> that has them using Airfones:</p>
<blockquote><p>Jeremy Glick picked up a GTE Airfone just before 9:30 a.m. and called his in-laws in the Catskills. … Lauren Catuzzi Grandcolas, 38, phoned her husband Jack in San Rafael, Calif … Then she passed the Airfone to the woman seated next to her. “Now you call your people,” Grandcolas told her. Honor Elizabeth Wainio, 27, took the phone from Grandcolas and dialed her stepmother, Esther Heymann, in Baltimore.</p></blockquote>
<p><strong>“Cell Phone Numbers Recognized on Caller ID”</strong></p>
<p>Three of the calls on the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">UAL call record (pp. 25-26)</a> are from Tom Burnett. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=IT1FfRDRlngC&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=jere+longman+among+the+heroes&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=dDNCTbzCNMbJgQf7mojSAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=snippet&amp;q=nine%20twenty-seven&amp;f=false">Per author Jere Longman</a>, who interviewed Tom’s wife Deena Burnett in 2002, Deena took notes, and wrote down the time of the first call as 6:27 am (PST); 9:27 am (EST). According to a <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18885705">9/11/01 FBI 302 interview of Deena (pp. 10-11)</a>, “Starting at approximately 6:30 a.m. (PST) BURNETT received a series of three to five cellular phone calls from her husband, THOMAS EDWARD BURNETT, JR”. The 302 recounts pieces of conversations from four calls. Though the 302 refers to all of these calls as cell phone calls, it is not clear from this 302 if Deena recognized Tom’s cell phone on Caller ID in more than one of the calls; caller ID is only referenced in the context of the third call received; “Approximately five minutes later she received another cell phone call from her husband. BURNETT was able to determine that her husband was using his own cellular telephone because the caller identification showed his number, (925) 980-3360. Only one of the calls did not show on the caller identification as she was on the line with another call.”</p>
<p>The <a href="http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00260.pdf">9/11 Commission’s 4/26/04 interview with Deena</a> says, “Call #1: … She also thinks this was the one call he placed to her from his cell phone, because she recognized the number on the caller ID.” Two and a half years after 9/11, Deena Burnett was still sure she’d seen Tom’s cell phone number on her caller ID, but that only one call was from his cell phone, and it was the first call. The <a href="http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00260.pdf">9/11 Commission interview also says</a>, “The call Burnett made from the cell phone did not show up on the cell phone bill, neither did the one he placed to his secretary before take-off. Burnett spoke with his friend Charles from England before take-off. He mentioned the flight was delayed but did not give a reason.”</p>
<p>The first two calls on the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">UAL call record (pp. 25-26)</a> list the time zone as “INT” and the times are 8:30:32 am (Tom Burnett: 28 seconds duration) and 8:32:39 am (Flight Attendant); the other calls all list “ET” as the time zone, and fit EST time frames for the reported events. I was unable to determine the meaning or purpose of “INT” as a time zone signifier. At the <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/docs/exhibit/ThomasBurnett.png">Moussaoui trial</a>, Tom Burnett’s first call is listed as occurring at 9:30:32 am for 28 seconds, matching the first call except for the time, unless the INT time zone is one hour ahead of EST. The next calls from Tom Burnett on the UAL and Moussaoui trial records are at 9:37:53 am, and the last is at 9:44:23 am; a total of three air phone calls from Tom Burnett are listed.</p>
<p><strong>Cell phone calls from planes were possible on 9/11; would the FBI lie, and why?</strong></p>
<p>Various <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_bureau_of_investigation">FBI agents, supervisors and policy makers have been involved in crimes, corruption and cover ups during the FBI’s history</a>. And, the FBI has a great deal to answer for<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_bureau_of_investigation">regarding 9/11 and many other events</a>, including their handling of the investigation into the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=2001anthraxattacks">2001 Anthrax attacks</a>. FBI statements and records should not be accepted at face value, but this doesn’t mean that any particular FBI statement or record is false.  Not all FBI agents, supervisors and policy makers are dishonest or disloyal to the US. For instance, FBI whistleblowers <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=sibel_edmonds">Sibel Edmonds</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=coleen_rowley">Coleen Rowley</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=robert_wright">Robert Wright</a>, <a href="http://original.antiwar.com/scott/2009/11/01/fbi-whistleblower-names-names/">John Cole</a> and <a href="http://911citizenswatch.org/?p=401#more-401">others</a> have demonstrated integrity and courage by their efforts within the system to address corruption, and finally by going public after being ignored, obstructed and intimidated by people with greater authority.</p>
<p>It may be that cell phones were used in more than the two cases cited by the FBI: CeeCee Lyles and Ed Felt. Regarding Deena Burnett’s account, Griffin says in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay,</p>
<blockquote><p>If [Tom Burnett] had actually called from an onboard phone, as the FBI now says, how could his home phone’s Caller ID have possibly indicated that the calls came from his cell phone? Some people reject as “unwarranted speculation” the suggestion that this shows that the calls were faked. But until someone comes up with an alternative explanation, this is the only hypothesis that accounts for the facts.</p></blockquote>
<p>There is another hypothesis that accounts for the facts, which is that cell phones were used. First, the claim that cell phone calls from planes were impossible is contradicted by evidence. In making his case that cell phone calls weren’t possible, Griffin cites a <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/callanomalies.html">study by A. K. Dewdney</a>. This study is not relevant to the 9/11 flights, as it was done in Canada, and no evidence was provided that conditions were similar, such as proximity to cell phone towers or power/quality of transmission equipment. Griffin also says that, &#8220;[cell phone] calls would become possible … on commercial flights in March 2008.&#8221; In support of this statement, he cites <a href="http://www.nypress.com/article-9872-miracles-and-wonders.html">journalist Alan Cabal</a>’s reporting on ‘picocell’ technology, including Cabal’s contention that, “Before this new ‘Pico cell,’ it was nigh on impossible to make a call from a passenger aircraft in flight. Connection is impossible at altitudes over 8000 feet or speeds in excess of 230 mph.” However, myriad credible sources indicate cell phone calls from airplanes were possible prior to 2001; see this <a href="http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Mobiles_at_altitude">collection of reports, studies and anecdotal evidence from media reports compiled by 9/11 Myths</a>, and this <a href="http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=186633.msg1107393#msg1107393">collection of reports compiled by jimd3100</a>.</p>
<p>Second, <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html#overlooked">self-powered cell phone repeaters</a> may have been placed on board the planes to ensure that calls would reliably connect. A <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/phonecalls.html#overlooked">repeater</a> is &#8220;sufficiently powerful to establish reliable connections with ground stations for several minutes at a time, and forwards all the communications between the cell phones aboard the plane and ground stations.&#8221; Cell phone calls from planes were possible before 2001, but it’s obvious that reception quality and the ability to connect and maintain a quality connection would decrease at higher altitudes and speeds. Some of the reported cell phone calls did take place at lower altitudes, but other reported calls, including Tom Burnett’s, were at higher altitudes.</p>
<p>It could easily have been anticipated by insiders arranging for planes to be successfully hijacked and hit their targets on 9/11, that passengers, once aware of the hijackings, would attempt to use their cell phones and report hijackings by Middle-Eastern-looking men. It would have been obvious that news reports of these calls would be emotionally-charged, and could be used to convince the public that Islamic radicals were responsible for 9/11, as well as channel the public’s fear and anger into support for a ‘war on terror’. Certainly, the calls were used in exactly this way. If repeaters were involved (no direct evidence has surfaced), this would create a different set of problems for the official 9/11 conspiracy theory, and the need to cover this up could explain why the FBI has denied that certain calls were made by cell phone.</p>
<p><strong>“[David Ray Griffin’s] Amazing Treatment of Amy Sweeney’s Calls”</strong></p>
<p>The title of this subsection is an ironic rephrasing of the related subtitle in Griffin’s <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay. According to Griffin, “What appears to be the FBI’s most elaborate effort to change a story occurred in relation to the phone calls reportedly made by flight attendant Amy Sweeney from American Flight 11. As we saw earlier, an FBI affidavit, dated September 11, said that AA employee Michael Woodward, who reportedly talked to Sweeney for 12 minutes, said she had been using ‘a cellular telephone.’” This is ironic because the appearance of an “elaborate effort” by the FBI to “change a story” is created by Griffin’s omissions, errors and misinterpretations of the records he cites. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Strangely, the summary of an FBI interview with AA Vice President for Flight Services Jane Allen, who reported that she had conducted a “flight service system conference call” involving Woodward the day after the 9/11 attacks, indicated that she said: “According to Woodward, Sweeny’s [sic] call came from either a cell telephone or an airphone on the aircraft.” Surely, however, Lechner’s affidavit, according to which Woodward said simply that Sweeney used a “cellular telephone,” must be considered more authoritative than this indirect quotation of Jane Allen, for four reasons: First, Lechner would have been trained to be precise about such matters when writing affidavits, whereas Allen’s focus during the conference call would have been on flight services; second, Lechner had a one-on-one interview with Woodward, whereas Allen talked to him during a conference call involving other people; third, Lechner’s interview took place on 9/11 itself, whereas Allen’s conference call occurred the following day; and fourth, Lechner received his information directly from Woodward himself, whereas the FBI summary was reporting a second-hand statement of what Woodward had said. The FBI’s summary of Allen’s summary of Woodward’s statement provides, therefore, no reason to question FBI Special Agent James Lechner’s affidavit, according to which Woodward said that Amy Sweeney had been “using a cellular telephone.”</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/documents/fbiaffidavit2.htm">FBI Special Agent (SA) James K. Lechner’s affidavit</a> was filed 9/12/01 in a federal court in Maine in order to obtain a search warrant in connection with the 9/11 investigation. Regarding Griffin’s first point, one may presume FBI agents are trained to be precise. However, FBI agents are human and make mistakes (FBI 302s frequently have typos, and come with the disclaimer, “This document contains neither recommendations nor conclusions of the FBI”). Mistakes may increase under pressure, or when distinctions and meanings are misunderstood or considered trivial, as the cell phone/air phone distinction may have seemed in the case of this affidavit, which was citing the Woodward/Sweeney conversation as evidence, and wasn’t related to an investigation of that conversation (or it’s alleged ‘impossibility’). And, given the bigger picture of determining who was responsible for the worst attack on the US since Pearl Harbor, the cell phone/air phone distinction may not have registered with Lechner at all.</p>
<p>In any case, there’s no evidence that Lechner personally interviewed Michael Woodward, which is the basis for Griffin’s second, third and fourth reasons to prefer Lechner’s affidavit over Jane Allen’s account. The facts outlined in the affidavit were sworn to by Lechner, but the context of the statement referencing the interview implies he didn’t interview Woodward: <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/atta/resources/documents/fbiaffidavit9.htm">“On September 11, 2001, FBI agents interviewed … [Woodward].”</a> Lechner could only be as accurate was whatever information he was given by other parties, and any mistake may not have been made by him.</p>
<p>Indeed, a search of the 9/11 Commission’s records at <a href="http://www.Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive">Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive</a> – the same records Griffin used as sources in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay – turns up only one FBI interview with Woodward on 9/11/01. This was conducted by <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/19131547/T7-B13-DOJ-Doc-Req-3513-Packet-6-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-Reports-730">FBI SA Craig Ring on 9/11/01 at 2pm (p. 86)</a>, and he says, “Woodward is the flight service manager for AA. He talked to flight attendant Amy Sweeney <strong>via air phone</strong> after flight 11 was hijacked (emphasis added).” Unless the Woodward interview was tape recorded, this FBI 302 is the primary source record; Lechner’s affidavit is at best secondary. For whatever reason, Griffin did not cite this 302 in his essay.</p>
<p>Woodward was also <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/19131547/T7-B13-DOJ-Doc-Req-3513-Packet-6-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-Reports-730">interviewed on 9/11/01 at 10:30 am by Massachusetts State Trooper James Masterson (p. 89)</a>, who stated that Woodward had “&#8217;received a phone call from Flight Attendant Sweeney aboard Flight 11,” that it was hijacked by three men with a bomb, and that three people had been stabbed or cut and one was dying. Masterson doesn’t note whether it was an air or cell phone.</p>
<p>Woodward was also <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18775594">interviewed by the FBI on 9/12, 13 and 14</a>. The 9/12 and 9/14 interviews say nothing about cell v. air phone, but the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18775594">9/13 FBI 302 (p. 1)</a> states, “(WOODWARD was unsure whether SWEENEY was on the on-board phones or a cellular telephone).” Griffin didn’t cite this interview, either, even though he cited the 9/12 interview (in the same .pdf file as the 9/13 interview) as the source for this quote: “Woodward took notes while he was talking to Sweeney which he signed and dated and gave to the interviewing Agent.”<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/19131561/T7-B13-Woodward-Notes-Fdr-Michael-Woodward-Note-and-Note-From-Same-Fax-731">Woodward’s 9/11/01 notes can be viewed here (pp. 2-3)</a>; there’s no mention in his notes of whether it was an air or cell phone. Rather, he made notes about things like hijackers, attendants, passengers, a bomb, a stabbing, a slashed throat, bleeding, and the rapid descent of the plane.</p>
<p>The flight service system conference call involving Jane Allen and Michael Woodward happened on 9/11/01, not “the day after the 9/11 attacks,” as Griffin says. Also, the FBI interviewed Allen ON 9/11/01. The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499802/T7-B13-Flight-Call-Notes-and-302s-Folder-Entire-Contents">FBI 302, dated 9/11/01, (pp. 25-26)</a> says, “On 09/11/2001, MS. ALLEN conducted a flight service system conference call.” The dates of the dictation and transcription are 9/12/01; perhaps this is the source of Griffin’s error in this case, though these are clearly marked, and the date of the 302 is clearly 9/11/01. Griffin is correct that the 302 records that, per Allen, “According to Woodward, Sweeny’s [sic] call came from either a cell telephone or an airphone on the aircraft.” Also, it seems unlikely that on a day when two AAL planes had been hijacked and crashed into buildings, that Allen, an AAL VP, would be focused on “flight services,” as Griffin surmises. Rather, it seems she would have been focused on finding out the facts related to events that constituted potentially very large liabilities for AAL.</p>
<p>It is curious that Lechner’s 9/11/01 affidavit says “cell phone” when the actual 9/11/01 Woodward interview record says “air phone.” It’s also curious because, according to Woodward himself in his 9/13/01 interview, and according to Allen in her 9/11/01 interview, Woodward was unsure if Sweeney was calling from a cell or air phone. However, when speaking to Ring, Woodward may have assumed it was an air phone, then realized later he didn’t know for sure, as in the heat of the moment, focused on the hijacking/bomb/stabbing of three people, etc., Sweeney didn’t think to remark on that, and he didn’t ask.</p>
<p>Additional evidence that Sweeney called Woodward from an air phone is the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">AT&amp;T/Claircom call record for AAL 11 (pp. 6, 9-10)</a>, which lists three connected calls from 904-555-0004 to a number at Boston Logan airport (redacted). The first is at 6:25:20 (8:25:20 am EST) for 107 seconds, the second at 6:29:25 (8:29:25 am EST) for 43 seconds, and the third at 6:32:39 (8:32:39 am EST) for 793 seconds (13” 13’). Griffin doesn’t cite these records, though he cited many other records posted at <a href="http://www.Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive">Scribd.com/911DocumentArchive</a>.</p>
<p>In his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin does not directly dispute the air phone call made by AAL 11 Flight Attendant Betty Ong. This also appears in the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">AT&amp;T/Claircom call record (p. 7)</a>: at 6:18:47 (8:18:47 am EST) there’s a call from 904-555-0004 to American Airlines reservations for 1620 seconds (27”).</p>
<p><strong>“Amazing Treatment,” cont.: the AAL tapes produced in 2004</strong></p>
<p>Griffin says the AAL tapes produced in 2004 are the source of the claim that Sweeney had used an air phone, but, regardless of the fact that Woodward had said it may have been an air phone, and an air phone is much more likely than a cell phone to sustain a call for 12 minutes, the FBI would have learned with relative certainty that an air phone had been used once they got the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">AT&amp;T/Claircom call record for AAL 11 (pp. 2-10)</a>. The fax date of these records, which include the AAL 77 calls, is 9/13/01.</p>
<p>Griffin lists six reasons to believe the AAL tape of the conversation involving Sam Howland and Nancy Wyatt (as Michael Woodward talked to Amy Sweeney) is faked <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499778/T7-B13-AA-Phone-Transcripts-Fdr-AA-11-Calls-Kean-Commission-Transcripts">(see transcript pp. 34-41)</a>. The first two reasons have to do with the existence of the tape being unknown to certain people and the public until some 2 ½ years after 9/11. However, if the FBI and AAL did not perceive a need to tell people &#8211; even Assistant US Attorney David Novak &#8211; they would not do so. It is surprising Novak was unaware, given that he was working on the Moussaoui trial. However, the failure to inform Novak, and/or the failure of Novak to learn of the tape, may only be evidence of unnecessarily excessive secrecy (something the Bush Administration was well known for), bureaucracy and/or incompetence. And, as I pointed out in Section 1, the FBI commonly does not comment on investigations in progress. It may also be there was an attempt, eventually unsuccessful, to suppress this evidence. AAL, as it was being sued by a large number of people, would have no incentive to widely share any information about what the company and its personnel knew and did or didn’t do on 9/11; in fact, AAL personnel were instructed to not discuss anything with the media.</p>
<p>The transcript shows <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499778/T7-B13-AA-Phone-Transcripts-Fdr-AA-11-Calls-Kean-Commission-Transcripts">AAL managers were soliciting and obtaining agreements to keep the news of the hijackings quiet (pp. 10, 23, 39)</a>. <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin, in Note 62</a>, said this “seems to be simply one of the most transparently phony parts of this made-up story,” because AAL officials wouldn’t have “thought they could keep [a hijacking] among themselves.” This is Griffin’s opinion, and has no basis in the evidence. It seems at least as plausible, if not more, that this indicates they realized the seriousness and sensitivity of the matter, and wanted to keep rumors and panic from spreading while they worked to get the situation under control. It could also mean they felt it was important to manage perceptions regarding AAL’s responsibility; clearly, those in management would have recognized the hijacking was a major liability issue for AAL. The <a href="http://www.observer.com/node/49415">2004 news of this seeming ‘cover up’</a> (cited by Griffin) contributed to negative perceptions about AAL, and infuriated family members, some of whom were suing AAL. Prior to the tape’s release, it would have been obvious to AAL management that it could make AAL look bad, thus there would be no incentive for AAL to fabricate these statements, and no incentive for the government to do so either, as it had bailed out the airlines and was working to shield them from liability.</p>
<p>Regarding the third reason, Griffin quotes a <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20010929230742/http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092001hijack.story">9/20/01 LA Times article</a> which actually undermines (not supports) his contention that the tape was fabricated later, and that the FBI didn’t know about the tape at the time:</p>
<blockquote><p>FBI officials in Dallas [Fort Worth], where American Airlines is based, were able, on the day of the terrorist attacks, to piece together a partial transcript and an account of the phone call. American Airlines officials said such calls are not typically recorded, suggesting that the FBI may have reconstructed the conversation from interviews.</p></blockquote>
<p>Griffin asks, “Why would FBI officials have needed to ‘piece together a partial transcript’ if officials at AA headquarters had a recording of Wyatt’s virtually verbatim account of Woodward’s virtually word-for-word account of what Sweeney had said?” <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499778/T7-B13-AA-Phone-Transcripts-Fdr-AA-11-Calls-Kean-Commission-Transcripts">Transcript of the Howland &#8211; Wyatt – Woodward – Sweeney tape (pp. 34-41)</a>. (This file also contains taped conversations between a number of other people, which shows that, while calls may not be “typically recorded,” they were in that location on 9/11/01, perhaps because it was clear the situation was a major emergency, and might need to be reconstructed later). As Wyatt had only relayed the last four minutes of the Sweeney-Woodward conversation, this would be a ‘partial transcript’, which, along with their interviews of those involved, could have been used to largely reconstruct the whole conversation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin</a>: “Fourth, there is no indication that Michael Woodward mentioned the creation of this recording when he was interviewed by FBI agent James Lechner on 9/11.” As I pointed out earlier in this essay, there’s no evidence Lechner interviewed Woodward on 9/11, and he probably didn’t. There’s also no evidence Woodward was aware Wyatt’s call to Howland was recorded.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin</a>: “Fifth, if Woodward had repeated to Nancy Wyatt Sweeney’s statement that she had used ‘an AirFone card, given to her by another flight attendant,’ he surely would not have told Lechner, only a few hours later, that she had been ‘using a cellular telephone.’” As I already pointed out, the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/19131547/T7-B13-DOJ-Doc-Req-3513-Packet-6-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-Reports-730">302 of FBI SA Craig Ring’s 9/11/01 interview</a> records that Woodward said Sweeney was on an air phone. There’s no evidence Woodward knew she had used “an AirFone card, given to her by another flight attendant.” The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">AT&amp;T/Claircom call records for AAL 11 (pp. 6, 9-10)</a> are probably the source of the information that <a href="http://www.observer.com/node/49415">“Sara [Low] had given Ms. Sweeney her father [Mike Low]&#8216;s calling card”</a>; in the card # field is a phone number for Gary M Low, and the card type is NPT. There’s nothing about an AirFone card being used in the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499778/T7-B13-AA-Phone-Transcripts-Fdr-AA-11-Calls-Kean-Commission-Transcripts">transcript of the Wyatt-Howland call (pp. 34-41)</a>, or in any of the Woodward interviews.</p>
<p>For the <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">sixth and final reason</a> to believe the tape is a fraud, Griffin asserts the “new story is even internally inconsistent,” because, as “Nancy Wyatt did not start relaying the call to American headquarters in Texas until 8:40 AM,” this could not have “resulted in a virtually verbatim transcript of the entire Sweeney-Woodward call.” However, there’s no evidence AAL or the FBI claimed there was a transcript of the “entire” call.</p>
<p><strong>3. “American Airlines’ Boeing 757s, and hence its Flight 77, had onboard phones.”</strong></p>
<p>In part 3 of his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin discusses his “evolving position on whether Flight 77 had onboard phones.” He had <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm">retracted certain statements on 5/7/07</a>(while arguing that other evidence supported the fake calls theory), and subsequently <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wBfPGreh">retracted his retraction on 6/26/07</a> (co-authored with Rob Balsamo of Pilots for 9/11 Truth (PFT)). Griffin’s position in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay is that AAL 77 did not have working air phones on September 11, 2001. In support of this, he cites four pieces of evidence:</p>
<p><strong>A. Chad Kinder, AAL Customer Service</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>The first piece of evidence is an exchange between <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070713043551/http://www.politikforum.de/forum/archive/index.php/t-133356-p-24.html">forum user The Paradroid and AAL Customer Service Representative (CSR) Chad Kinder</a>. Paradroid asks, “Hello, on your website . . . there is mentioned that there are no seatback satellite phones on a Boeing 757. Is that info correct? Were there any such seatback satellite phones on any Boeing 757 before or on September 11, 2001 and if so, when were these phones ripped out?” Kinder responds, “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”</p>
<p>Kinder doesn’t address the question about whether AAL 757’s had seatback phones on 9/11, or when they were removed. He says, &#8220;we do not have phones …&#8221; (present tense), and then says the 9/11 passengers used their cell phones. It may be that Kinder gave a quick reply he believed was correct based on his personal knowledge, and didn&#8217;t bother to check whether or not AAL 757s had seatback phones on 9/11, let alone working ones; certainly, his present tense statement, “we do not have,” doesn&#8217;t logically indicate AAL 757’s didn’t have them on 9/11/01. However, it does appear Kinder is inferring that was the case, hence his statement that passengers used their cell phones on 9/11.</p>
<p>Given the present tense phrasing of Kinder’s response, however, it cannot be assumed this is evidence that Flight 77 didn’t have working air phones on 9/11. Curiously, Kinder’s present tense phrasing doesn’t bother Griffin, even though he said in his <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wBfPGreh">6/26/07 retraction</a> of his <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm">5/7/07 retraction</a>, that the present tense phrasing of AAL’s 2004 communications with Henshall and Morgan was one of the reasons he concluded he was in error in his book <em>Debunking 9/11 Debunking</em>, leading to his <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm">5/7/07 retraction</a>: “… the realization that the letters from AA in 2004 were couched entirely in the present tense, DRG concluded that the claim that AA 77 had not had onboard phones was probably an error.”</p>
<p>The job of a CSR like Chad Kinder is to provide support to many dozens or even hundreds of customers per day; most issues a CSR deals with are routine questions related to AAL’s current services and schedules, not questions about past events and discontinued services. According to <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wBfPGreh">Rob Balsamo’s 5/31/07 follow up interview with Kinder</a>, Kinder could not recall having written the 2006 email as he writes “so many,” but said, “That sounds like an accurate statement.&#8221; Apparently, Balsamo did not clarify with Kinder whether or not AAL 757’s, and specifically N644AA (Flight 77), had seatback phones on 9/11, but Kinder still believed they didn’t, without looking into it any further. This confirmation doesn’t clarify whether or not Kinder’s original response was well-informed, and provides no additional information useful to understanding whether or not AAL 757s had working air phones on 9/11.</p>
<p>Furthermore, Kinder’s statement as a CSR doesn’t represent AAL’s position on this issue. AAL’s position was represented by <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">John Hotard, a manager in AAL Corporate Communications</a> (public relations), whose statements I address in Section 3C below. In addition, on <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2868259&amp;postcount=444">8/14/07 JREF user pomeroo reported</a> that he received this statement from Hotard; “Kinder’s response was based on information that an order had been issued to remove Airphones from the 757 fleet. He did not have information on the specific aircraft or the timetable to remove them.” This is yet another indication that Kinder didn’t thoroughly research the issue, and that his response is unreliable as evidence that AAL 757’s didn’t have working air phones on 9/11.</p>
<p><strong>B.</strong> <strong>The 757 AMM 23-19-00-0 page and AMTMAN</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>This section concerns a document first posted by PFT, and a set of documents posted shortly afterward by JREF user AMTMAN. AMTMAN <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2759560#post2759560">first registered at JREF 7/11/07</a>; two weeks after PFT posted their document on <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5w7zxDITa">6/26/07</a> (in conjunction with Griffin’s <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wBfPGreh">6/26/07 retraction</a> of his <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm">5/7/07 retraction</a>). Regarding the relevance of the PFT document, Griffin says in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay,</p>
<blockquote><p>The second new piece of information, supplied by <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5w7zxDITa">Rob Balsamo of Pilots for 9/11 Truth</a>, was [23-19-00-0] a page from the Boeing 757 Aircraft Maintenance Manual (757 AMM), which has the date January 28, 2001 at the bottom of the page. The first sentence of this page states: “The passenger telephone system was deactivated by ECO [Engineering Change Order] FO878.”</p></blockquote>
<p>To date, ECO FO878 has not been produced, only 23-19-00-0, which refers to it. Griffin, Balsamo, as well as Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis (the middlemen for the 23-19-00-0 source), have interpreted the 1/28/01 date on 23-19-00-0 as meaning ECO FO 878 was issued before 9/11/01.</p>
<p>However, there are a number of problems with this interpretation. After the first two sentences that discuss deactivation of the “passenger telephone system,” the rest of the text refers to maintenance of the “Claircom Telephone System.” Why the sudden shift in descriptor and context? <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=2759560#post2759560">According to AMTMAN</a>, the “TR” to the left of the first two sentences signifies “Temporary Revision.” AMTMAN challenged Ranke/Balsamo to go on the record stating what TR means, as well as give the date associated with this particular TR. At the time, Balsamo had been banned from JREF (<a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2782542&amp;postcount=424">including his alleged sockpuppet, weedwacker</a>. Also see this <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=195938">12/27/10 JREF thread</a> for a list of other alleged Balsamo socks at JREF, as well as those used at other forums), but Ranke was participating in the 23-19-00-0 thread. Ranke never responded to AMTMAN’s questions or statement regarding the meaning and date of said TR, I could find no record of it being addressed at the CIT or PFT forums, and the comment threads at Screw Loose Change (SCL) in which <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2851148&amp;postcount=441">Ranke, Balsamo and AMTMAN were apparently participating</a>, reportedly were lost, along with many others, when <a href="http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2011/01/for-paranoid-nutjob-who-has-everything.html#c3361909584413222368">SCL switched comment hosts in 2009</a>.</p>
<p>On 8/9/07, AMTMAN posted this <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2849471&amp;postcount=432">23-19-00-0 TR Cover Page</a> as evidence ‘TR’ means ‘Temporary Revision’; <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2849823&amp;postcount=439">AMTMAN also said</a> it “proves that first sentence [in 23-19-00-0] did not appear until 4/2007” (the document lists the TR date as 4/19/07, and the TR release date as 4/13/07). Evidence that AMTMAN is correct about the meaning of ‘TR’, and how it affects dates on AAL maintenance records, is this <a href="http://img512.imageshack.us/f/2319updatecs2.jpg/">update to 23-19-00-0 posted 3/25/08</a>, which has text identical to the one posted by PFT, but has a different software revision version/date, ‘AAL’ where ‘TR’ once was, and “9/28/07” as the date at the bottom of the page. This was posted at the same image sharing account as ECO FO871XX, discussed next.</p>
<p><a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2772866&amp;postcount=399">7/16/07 AMTMAN said</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s most interesting that PfT say they could not locate F0878 yet they have several others dated for 2002. Well there&#8217;s ECO F0871 that states that the Claircom system will be switched to the off position and associated circuit breakers pulled and collared. It&#8217;s dated March 2002.</p></blockquote>
<p>On 9/14/07 SCL posted <a href="http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/aa-77-airfones-final-story.html">two pages from ECO FO871XX</a>, presumably provided by AMTMAN. The first page is an order for “Telephone circuit breaker and toggle switch deactivation” with dates beginning March 13, 2002. The second page is a list of 18 out of 121 total 757’s, beginning with 5BR, on which this work was completed in April 2002. The first page lists fleet designation series 610-643, 5BR-5ES and 5ET-5FP. AAL 77 had registration number N644AA, and was in fleet 644. According to the <a href="http://rzjets.net/aircraft/">database at rzjets.net</a>, N645AA is in fleet 5BR. It seems reasonable to conclude that <a href="http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/aa-77-airfones-final-story.html">ECO FO871XX</a> lists the series that would have included N644AA; having been <a href="http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html">destroyed in the crash at the Pentagon</a>, it would not have been included in work being done in March and April, 2002. A <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5w7zxDITa">9/18/07 update on the 23-19-00-0 page at PFT</a> says, “We are currently in the process of analyzing the conflicts and will update this article as more information becomes available,” but I found no further record of ECO FO871 being addressed by PFT, CIT or JREF.</p>
<p>Some at JREF raised questions about the authenticity of the date on the PFT document (23-19-00-0), as well as about AMTMAN. Griffin has said the documents provided by PFT and AMTMAN are contradictory, and given reasons to prefer PFT’s 23-19-00-0 (see Summary of Section 3, below), as well as their interpretation of the 1/28/01 date on it. However, no one has demonstrated that any of the five AAL pages were forged or tampered with, and <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2773673&amp;postcount=402">AMTMAN vouched for the authenticity of the version of 23-19-00-0 posted by PFT</a>. PFT has not posted records specifically related to the deactivation or disconnection of air phones on N644AA (see also John Hotard’s statements, Section 3C, below). ECO FO878 has not been produced, nor hard evidence of the date on it. I didn’t find that PFT/CIT ever said what the ECO FO878 date was; <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5w7zxDITa">PFT said</a> “ECO FO878 … could not be located.” No evidence has been provided to support the claim ECO FO878 was issued prior to 1/28/01, which is what the release of 23-19-00-0 allegedly shows, according to CIT, Balsamo and Griffin.</p>
<p><strong>C. John Hotard, AAL Corporate Communications</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>The third piece of evidence cited by Griffin is an account provided by John Hotard, a manager in Corporate Communications (aka Media Relations; public relations) at AAL, meaning he was authorized to publicly represent American Airlines company positions on certain matters. The source Griffin cites for Hotard is a <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">comment posted at JREF by user pomeroo aka Ron</a>, who apparently pasted text from email exchanges he had with Hotard. On 1/19/11, in response to my fourth request for information about Hotard’s statements reported at JREF, I received this reply from AAL Media Relations: “Mr. Hotard retired a year ago last September.” That was the entirety of the reply; no other info was given, even though I had asked for confirmation of American Airlines’ position on the issue of whether or not Flight 77 had working seatback phones on 9/11/01.</p>
<p>In any case, the emails pomeroo posted, as well as one posted by JREF user <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2782116&amp;postcount=416">Panoply Perfect</a> (see quote below), make it clear that Hotard, <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2868259&amp;postcount=444">unlike Chad Kinder</a>, had researched the issue of whether or not there were working seatback phones on AAL 757s on 9/11, and specifically in the case of N644AA. Among other things, <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard said 6/27/07</a>, “Ron, I am doublechecking with my maintenance folks so I give you accurate data.”</p>
<p>In Griffin’s <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, he quotes from and comments on <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard’s 6/29/07 reply</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>“An Engineering Change Order to deactivate the seatback phone system on the 757 fleet had been issued by that time [9/11/2001].” Following this statement, Hotard emphasized that photographs showing seatback phones in American 757s after 9/11 would not prove anything, for this reason: “We did two things: issued the engineering change orders to disconnect/disable the phones, but then did not physically remove the phones until the aircraft went &#8230; in for a complete overhaul.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Griffin represents Hotard’s account as confirming the idea that the seatback phones weren’t working on AAL 77. However, he neglected to quote the sentence that immediately preceded the first one he quoted, where <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard says</a>, “Ron, engineers at our primary Maintenance &amp; Engineering base in Tulsa tell me that they cannot find any record that the 757 aircraft flown into the Pentagon on 9/11 had had its seatback phones deactivated by that date.” Griffin also omits mention, even though it was in the same post that he cites, of<a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard’s statement</a> of what was apparently a consensus conclusion at AAL: &#8220;It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected.&#8221; Contrary to the way Griffin represented it, Hotard’s account is evidence the air phones on AAL 77 were working.</p>
<p>On <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2782116&amp;postcount=416">7/19/07, JREF user Panoply Perfect aka SLOB reported</a> receiving a substantially similar reply from Hotard: “Mr (My name excluded), we have checked the records of the Boeing 757 aircraft on Flight 77. While there are records that indicate an Engineering Change Order was issues [sic] prior to 9/11 to remove the phones from the Boeing 757 fleet, there is no documentation in that particular aircraft’s records that indicate the phones had been disabled or removed by 9/11.”</p>
<p><strong>D. Cpt. Ralph Kolstad, retired AAL Pilot</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin cites as his fourth piece of evidence</a>, “email letters to Rob Balsamo and David Griffin, December 22, 2009” from PFT member and former (retired 2005) AAL B757/767 pilot Cpt. Ralph Kolstad; “[T]he ‘air phones,’ as they were called, were … deactivated in early or mid 2001. They had been deactivated for quite some time prior to Sep 2001.” In response to a question about this statement, Kolstad added: “I have no proof, but I am absolutely certain that the phones were disconnected on the 757 long before Sep 2001. They were still physically installed in the aircraft, but they were not operational.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kolstad&#8217;s and Hotard&#8217;s statements contradict each other, but in <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard&#8217;s case he cites</a> “[his] maintenance folks” and &#8220;that aircraft’s [N644AA] records.&#8221; Kolstad admits having no proof, and his statement is based on his recollection. While possible, it seems unlikely that a commercial airline pilot would find the deactivation of seatback phones, which had never been extensively used and were in declining use by passengers, to be such a significant event that they would make a point of knowing when the deactivations were completed on the entire AAL 757 fleet. It seems even less likely that, over eight years later, someone could recall with ‘absolute certainty’ that it was “long before Sep 2001.” In any case, Hotard’s account should be given greater consideration, unless it can be shown there’s reason to believe AAL’s records were tampered with, or that Hotard was misled or misrepresenting the record, or that the Hotard emails posted by pomeroo and Panoply Perfect were fabricated. However, Griffin did not see a reason to question the authenticity of<a href="http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=2730356&amp;postcount=378">Hotard’s reply to pomeroo</a> (see Section 3C above).</p>
<p>There are other reasons to be skeptical of Kolstad’s credibility. For instance, Kolstad has been listed as a <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070928131706/http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html">member of Pilots for 9/11 Truth (PFT) since 2007</a> (the PFT member list says, “Core members listed in the order they joined.” Kolstad is currently <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wIqUhWXS">listed 4<sup>th</sup></a>, but when he was first listed, he was 25<sup>th</sup>). PFT is an organization that, <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wMCsQBbT">beginning with its launch in 2006</a>, has actively perpetuated the <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagontrap.html">controversial</a>, <a href="http://www.911review.com/errors/pentagon/index.html">erroneous</a>, <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2009/WhatHitPentagonDrLeggeAug.pdf">discredited (pdf)</a>, and <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-17/visibility-911-dozen-questons-about-flight-77-kevin-ryan">counter-productive</a> claim that AAL 77 didn’t crash into the Pentagon (<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wMHdiKmh">PFT insists</a> it only presents evidence that it could not have happened as reported). PFT, based on a <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2009/WhatHitPentagonDrLeggeAug.pdf">miscalculation of g-force (pdf)</a> and <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Calibration%20of%20altimeter_92.pdf">incomplete FDR data (pdf)</a>, has claimed the FDR from AAL 77 showed the plane could not have hit the Pentagon. PFT has <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wMGNXj9z">corrected some of its mathematical errors</a>, but as yet has not corrected the major error in its calculations, according to which the g-force far exceeded what the plane could have physically withstood. Now that the final four seconds of FDR data have been <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2010/Calibration%20of%20altimeter_92.pdf">decoded and analyzed by Warren Stutt and Frank Legge (pdf)</a>, showing AAL 77 to have been on a trajectory ending at the Pentagon, <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wEnKrtr4">PFT is insisting the FDR can’t be linked to N644AA</a>, in addition to making <a href="http://www.scienceof911.com.au/pentagon/rebuttal">false claims of mistakes in the Legge-Stutt paper</a>, and <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wEnKrtr4">leveling insults and innuendo</a> at Legge and Stutt (see the forum thread for more insults and innuendo, link at note 4 in the press release). In<a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wMCVEwo6">November 2009</a>, PFT began <a href="http://911blogger.com/node/20232">promoting the erroneous claim</a> that the speeds achieved by AAL 11 and UAL 175 prior to hitting WTC 1 and 2 were “impossible” Also in <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wMC7ZZkB">November 2009</a>PFT began claiming that FDR parameter “FLT_DECK_DOOR” only showing “0” for the entire AAL 77 flight proved the cockpit door never opened, and a hijack was therefore “impossible.” However, this parameter apparently was not in use, as a “1” was never recorded for it in the entire 42 hours of FDR data, over a total of 12 flights (scroll down to: <a href="http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread512723/pg36">reply posted on 27-11-2009 @ 09:53 PM by 911files</a>). Over the years, PFT has worked with <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">Citizen</a> <a href="http://911review.com/articles/ashley/pentacon_con.html">Investigation</a> <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/search/label/Citizen%20Investigation%20Team">Team</a> <a href="http://csarnsblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/national-security-alert-omissions-and.html">(CIT)</a> on a number of projects; CIT is known for selective quotation, interpretation and inclusion of witness statements in their films, and accusing witnesses and critics of being disinfo agents. Despite <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wFjhr0ee">listing many pilots and military as members</a>, PFT has contributed essentially no substantive information regarding important issues such as <a href="http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm">standard FAA/NORAD procedures</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;before_9/11=militaryExercises">military preparedness prior to and on 9/11</a>,<a href="http://www.911review.com/articles/russell/standdown.html">Donald Rumsfeld’s June 1, 2001 order</a> changing air defense procedures to require him to be in a loop <a href="http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_2026.shtml">from which he was absent on 9/11</a>, the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense">air defense failures on 9/11</a>, and the<a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/defense/wargames.html">military exercises coinciding with 9/11</a>.</p>
<p>Furthermore, in <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wQjXjCt0">Kolstad’s August 20, 2007 statement to Patriots Question 9/11</a>, he says, &#8220;One of the best books available, published about one year later, is David Icke’s book <em><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=suCB_WNC5DoC&amp;dq=editions:ISBN0953881024">Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center Disaster</a></em>.  It has some tremendous research and analysis in it.&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke">David Icke</a> is perhaps most famous for asserting the world&#8217;s powerbrokers are reptilian humanoids from another planet, and that they created the human race. For over 20 years, in more than 20 books and DVDs, on his website, and in interviews and public appearances, Icke has been making these and other nonsensical claims and allegations, while insisting these are his sincere beliefs. Claims about ‘reptilians’ are featured in the book that Kolstad recommends.</p>
<p><strong>Summary of Section 3</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Regarding the documents produced (see Section 3B above), <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin observed correctly</a> that the identity of neither source can be verified. He goes on to say, &#8220;Whereas the purported AMM page is consistent with the testimony of Customer Service Representative Chad Kinder, pilot Ralph Kolstad, and Public Relations Representative John Hotard, the purported ECO provided by AMTMAN is contradicted by the testimony of all of these past and present AAL employees.&#8221; <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin concluded his section 3 by saying</a>, “… we cannot yet claim to have proof … [but] The evidence is very strong, therefore, that Barbara Olson could not possibly have made calls from Flight 77.”</p>
<p>The conclusion that the evidence for impossible calls is “very strong” is actually contradicted and/or undermined by Griffin’s own sources:</p>
<p>Section 3A: Kinder’s own statements don’t support the claim that Kinder was well informed about the operational status of the seatback phones on N644AA. Additionally, AAL Corporate Communications manager John Hotard stated that CSR Chad Kinder was misinformed.</p>
<p>Section 3B: The documents posted by AMTMAN and PFT have not been shown to be fabricated or tampered with, and appear to be authentic AAL maintenance records. The 4/19/07 23-19-00-0 TR cover sheet and 9/28/07 final revision of 23-19-00-0 provided by AMTMAN show that PFT’s 23-19-00-0 didn’t contain the first two sentences until April 2007. There’s no legitimate basis for claiming that ECO FO878 was dated on or prior to 1/28/01, based on PFT’s 23-19-00-0. The ECO FO871 provided by AMTMAN supports the claim that deactivation work did not begin on AAL’s 757s until March 2002.</p>
<p>Section 3C: Hotard cited AAL’s records and mechanics, and, in emails to two different people, said there was no record of N644AA’s seatback phones being disabled. He further stated that it is AAL’s position that the seatback phones on N644AA were operational on 9/11. Griffin made it seem that Hotard’s account supports the faked phone calls theory by ignoring Hotard’s statements that explicitly contradict the claim that the seatback phones weren’t operational.</p>
<p>Section D: Ralph Kolstad’s recollection is questionable, as it came over eight years after what would have been a relatively inconsequential event from a pilot’s perspective. His credibility has been undermined by his membership in Pilots for 9/11 Truth, and his endorsement of David Icke’s 9/11 book.</p>
<p>Conclusion: The most authoritative sources available on the issue of whether or not the air phones were operational on N644AA during 9/11 are Hotard and the documents provided by AMTMAN, and these support the conclusion that the air phones were operational. There is no credible evidence that, “Barbara Olson could not possibly have made calls from Flight 77.”</p>
<p><strong>4. “The FBI’s report on phone calls from the 9/11 airliners did not undermine Ted Olson’s report about receiving phone calls from his wife.”</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong></p>
<p>In this section of his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin examines the reported calls from Barbara Olson to Ted Olson. Griffin presents and analyzes different scenarios concerning the call records and the number of calls said to have been made. There are some odd elements and missing pieces, but no hard evidence the calls did not happen. There is evidence they did, and it is not correct to say the FBI has “undermine[d] Ted Olson’s report.”</p>
<p>One notable part is where Griffin takes issue with jimd3100&#8242;s explanation for why there were connected calls without a record of who called:</p>
<p><a href="http://911blogger.com/node/22214">jimd3100</a>: If you use a credit card and pay yourself you dial the number yourself and a record from the airphone is then made. She did that once and it didn&#8217;t go through &#8230; you have the one recorded call, and the number dialed from the airphone. The others were made collect and therefor [sic] the operator dialed the number not the person using the airphone therefor [sic] the number called is unknown (not dialed on the airphone) but the time the airphone was used is known and recorded.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin</a>: There are two problems with this explanation. First, as we already saw, only one of the calls from Barbara Olson reportedly received by her husband’s office came through an operator. The other one, Lori Keyton said, was a direct call. Second, it is simply not the case that collect calls made through operators leave no record. (Without a record, how would the phone company know whom to charge for the calls?) So this explanation is about a [sic] wrong as an explanation can be.</p>
<p><strong>Re: the first problem, the direct call to Ted Olson</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>AT&amp;T collect call operators, like most other people in the US, were probably well aware of the plane crashes in NYC by the time of Barbara Olson’s calls, and the US was under terrorist attack. Having been told by Olson that her plane had been hijacked, the operator may have simply connected the call for Olson, rather than waste time in a life-or-death situation. AT&amp;T operator Mercy Lorenzo connected at least one of Olson’s calls, and told her co-worker Teresa Gonzalez that Olson said the plane was hijacked; both operators took the claim so seriously that they each called the FBI (see quotes and links below). These FBI 302 interview records don’t say a call was connected directly; the direct call may have been connected by another operator, or Lorenzo/Gonzalez may not have wanted to admit doing this, as it was contrary to standard procedure. However, the idea that a subsequent call from Olson was put through directly is plausible, even probable. There is a lack of evidence that explains the direct call, but there’s no evidence it didn’t happen. This is something that could be verified or disproven by an independent investigation with the necessary resources and authorities. In addition, if the 9/11 plot involved faked phone calls, it seems unlikely that a seemingly contradictory and potentially suspicious element would be introduced into the narrative &#8211; but here it is, and Griffin has made an issue out of it. Furthermore, it also seems unlikely a plot involving faked calls would introduce an unnecessary element of complexity; faking a call to an operator, in order for a collect call to be involved.</p>
<p>In the 911Blogger comments thread for Griffin’s <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-19/david-ray-griffin-911-cell-phone-calls-exclusive-cbc-interview#comment-224309">CBC Fifth Estate Interview</a>, as well as in the thread for <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-22/fake-phone-calls-what-evidence-shows-1#comment-224313">jimd3100’s essay</a> which Griffin quotes from, I had suggested this may have been the reason for the direct call. However, in his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin does not address the possibility that AT&amp;T operators connected Olson’s call(s) directly. A review of the endnotes for this essay shows that he did review the comment threads for both 911Blogger posts; in addition to others’ comments, he quotes a number of my own comments, citing my 911Blogger user name, ‘loose nuke’, and pointing out that my comments revealed a lack of awareness that Griffin had <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5wBfPGreh">retracted</a> his <a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17659.htm">retraction</a> of his claim that AAL 757’s didn’t have seatback phones on 9/11. The <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2009-12-19/david-ray-griffin-911-cell-phone-calls-exclusive-cbc-interview#comment-224259">CBC Interview</a> comment thread included my quoting from the FBI 302 reports of interviews with Lorenzo and Gonzalez:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24392516/T7-B19-Key-302s-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s">FBI 302 9/11/01 (p. 17)</a>: Mercy Lorenzo, operator for AT&amp;T Services AT&amp;T, telephonically contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI to report an emergency phone call received by her while on duty at AT&amp;T. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, she provided the following information:</p>
<p>A female passenger called from the telephone located on the back of the airplane seat. Passenger requested to be connected with her husband, a sergeant who resides in Washington, D.C. The passenger advised the plane was currently being hi-jacked. The hi-jackers, armed with guns and knives, were ordering the passengers to move to the back of the plane. The passenger wanted to know how to let the pilots know what was happening. It did not appear as if they were aware of the situation.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24392516/T7-B19-Key-302s-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s">FBI 302 9/11/01 (p. 36)</a>: Teresa Gonzalez, operator for AT&amp;T Services AT&amp;T, telephonically contacted the Federal Bureau of Investigation FBI to report an emergency phone call received by AT&amp;T. After being advised of the identity of the interviewing agent and the nature of the interview, she provided the following information:</p>
<p>Mercy Lorenzo, also an operator with AT&amp;T, received a call from a female passenger on flight 77 requesting to be transferred to telephone number [redacted] The female passenger advised the plane was being hi-jacked. Hi-jackers were ordering passengers to move to the back of the plane and were armed with guns and knives. Lorenzo indicated the pilot might not yet be aware of the take over of the plane. Additionally, the number provided was the number of the passenger&#8217;s husband. He is a Sergeant and resides in Washington, D.C.</p></blockquote>
<p>From the context, it’s obvious the “female passenger” is Barbara Olson. Her husband, Ted Olson, was Solicitor General at the Justice Dept (DOJ), not a “Sergeant”, but it seems likely this was just a misunderstanding. In addition, an <a href="http://www.911myths.com/images/9/95/265A-NY-280350-302-22170-Unredacted.pdf">unredacted version of the Gonzalez FBI 302</a> obtained by 9/11 Myths shows the number that was called: 202-514-2201. An online search quickly confirms this is a number for the Solicitor General at DOJ. This number is also listed in the Memorandum for the Record (MFR) for a <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52004-DOJ-Briefing-on-Cell-and-Phone-Calls-From-AA-77-408">5/20/04 DOJ briefing to the 9/11 Commission (p. 2)</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Guns on all four flights, six hijackers on AAL 77?</strong></p>
<p>Notice from the above 302s that Mercy Lorenzo said Olson reported the hijackers had guns. This is an element that conflicts with the official 9/11 narrative; why is it here, if the phone calls were faked, and why is it FBI records, if these were faked? Guns were also reported on the three other hijacked flights. On 9/11/01, an <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13484864/T7-B7-John-Raidt-Work-Files-Shooting-Story-Executive-Summary-AA-11-Shooting-020">FAA memo</a> said that AAL 11 passenger Daniel Lewin (of the Israeli Defense Forces) had been shot (<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a091101daniellewin#a091101daniellewin">HistoryCommons AAL 11</a>); the FAA claimed this was an early report and erroneous. <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/47935437/T7-B13-DOJ-Doc-Req-35-13-Packet-8-Fdr-Entire-Contents">According to some accounts (pp. 13, 23, 54, 57)</a>, UAL 175 passenger Peter Hanson reported that a stewardess had been shot: other accounts only mentioned a bomb, mace, knives and stabbing. The<a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499802/T7-B13-Flight-Call-Notes-and-302s-Folder-Entire-Contents">302 record of Deena Burnett’s 9/15/01 FBI interview (p. 12)</a> says, “Call 2 … said subjects in cockpit with guns.” In an interview with the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a927burnettsaysgun#a927burnettsaysgun">London Times published 8/11/02</a>, Deena said, “He told me one of the hijackers had a gun. He wouldn’t have made it up. Tom grew up around guns. He was an avid hunter and we have guns in our home. If he said there was a gun on board, there was.” According to her <a href="http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00260.pdf">4/26/04 interview with the 9/11 Commission</a>, “Burnett&#8217;s exact words to Deena were, ‘I think one of them has a gun.’&#8221;</p>
<p>Furthermore, the official 9/11 narrative says there were five hijackers on AAL 77, but Flight Attendant Renee May reported six: “Renee told her mother that the flight she had been hijacked by six 6 hijackers. Renee further explained that the hijackers put ‘us’ in the back of the airplane.” <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24392516/T7-B19-Key-302s-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s">FBI 302 9/12/01 (p. 37)</a></p>
<p>The 9/11 Commission considered but dismissed the reports of six hijackers on AAL 77, and of guns and shootings, as erroneous. Though guns would explain how the hijackers were so easily able to take over the flights and subdue the crews and passengers, these reports have since been largely ignored by the media and the 9/11 Truth Movement. It’s conceivable that fake bombs could be smuggled on board by passengers, but guns would almost certainly have to have been placed on board prior to the flight, by maintenance crews or others with access to the planes. It may be there is something more here, but it’s also possible the Commission is correct, and these reports were simply mistaken. An investigation not controlled by <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030719114021/http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html">insiders with conflicts of interest</a> (also see this on <a href="http://hnn.us/articles/5280.html">Executive Director Philip Zelikow</a>) and a <a href="http://hcgroups.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/911-commission-report-outline-from-spring-2003-similar-to-final-report/">pre-established agenda</a>, such as was the 9/11 Commission, might be able to credibly establish the whole truth regarding these matters and the many other <a href="http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html">unanswered questions</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">information in the public record which conflicts with the official 9/11 conspiracy theory</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Re: the second problem, the lack of records</strong></p>
<p><strong> </strong>Phone companies have records for phone calls. The <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">FBI obtained call records for all four 9/11 flights (AAL 77 pp. 11-24)</a> as part of its investigation and provided them to the 9/11 Commission. American Airlines phone calls were carried by Claircom. In reviewing these records for AAL 11 and AAL 77, it is seen that all calls from the two AAL flights had 904-555-0004 as the originating number. Two direct calls were attempted, but not connected; one to May’s parents, and one to Ted Olson’s office. One connected call at 7:12:18 (6:12:18 PST) used a Visa card, went to the phone number of Renee May’s parents, and lasted for 158 seconds <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/13499791">(AT&amp;T/Claircom p. 13)</a>. When interviewed by the FBI, Renee’s mother, Nancy May, said Renee had called about this time, told her the plane was hijacked by six hijackers who had moved them to the back of the plane, and gave her mother three AAL phone numbers to call <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/24392516/T7-B19-Key-302s-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s">(9/12/01 FBI 302, p. 37)</a>. The other AAL 77 connected calls either went to “0”, or didn’t list a number.</p>
<p>According to a <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52004-DOJ-Briefing-on-Cell-and-Phone-Calls-From-AA-77-408">5/20/04 DOJ briefing given to the 9/11 Commission on Cell and Phone Calls from AA 77 (p. 1)</a>, “All of the calls from Flight 77 were made via the onboard airphone system. That system did not provide information about the location of the airphone from which each call was made, and allowed for the identification of the called number for only three of the eight calls.” It does seem strange that the system routing and tracking these calls would not record the number being called, but if the terminating number was the operator, that would be the one number where it would be unimportant if the system does not record a “0,” as, if the field was blank, it could be understood to have been a call to the operator. Certainly, the system used was not entirely up to date; for instance, although the correct date and times for calls are listed under “Start Time,” fields called “Billing Start” and “Answer Supervision” contain the following text for every call; “Wed Dec 31 18:00:00 1969.” A note on this line, apparently added by either AT&amp;T/Claircom or the FBI, explains, “Time is not tracked because OSPS [Operator Services] bills.” Additional support for the idea that these calls went to the operator is that no credit or phone card information was entered for these calls. In any case, a full investigation might be able to settle this question, but it isn’t evidence of faked calls. In addition, if this is a suspicious element, why would it have been introduced as part of a faked calls plot?</p>
<p>Regarding the phone number(s) where the Claircom calls from the AAL flights were redirected to, it seems AT&amp;T should have records; the OSPS billing records, for instance. In addition, DOJ would have phone bills, that, at a minimum, should show a collect call received, if not detailed data on all calls received. Furthermore, DOJ might have its own system for recording, logging and tracking calls received. Among the 9/11 Commission records released to the public, I have not found these records. Apparently the FBI did not receive such records; the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52004-DOJ-Briefing-on-Cell-and-Phone-Calls-From-AA-77-408">5/20/04 DOJ briefing (p. 2)</a> says, “… there was no direct evidence with respect to the ‘unknown calls’ &#8230;&#8221; No explanation for this was given in the briefing, and I have not found other records which provide an explanation. The explanation may simply be the FBI didn’t get the billing/other records from OSPS and DOJ, and didn’t ask AT&amp;T/DOJ for an explanation, though it seems they would have, as they were seeking to find out what calls were made, and who made and received them. If anyone wants to investigate this or pressure the DOJ/FBI for answers, fine. However, claiming this absence of evidence is evidence the calls were faked is not warranted, especially in light of the fact that the rest of Griffin’s case for faked calls doesn’t hold up under scrutiny, as I have shown throughout this essay.</p>
<p><strong>Two, four or zero calls from Barbara Olson to Ted Olson?</strong></p>
<p>According to the <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/18886083/T7-B12-Flight-93-Calls-General-Fdr-52004-DOJ-Briefing-on-Cell-and-Phone-Calls-From-AA-77-408">5/20/04 DOJ briefing (p. 2)</a>, “interviews with recipients (especially Lori Keyton who was answering the phone in Ted Olson&#8217;s office on 9/11), plus interviews of family members of other Flight 77 passengers, has led to the conclusion that all of these unknown calls were from Barbara Olson to her husband Ted&#8217;s office.” It is puzzling the DOJ/FBI reached this conclusion, given that Solicitor General Ted Olson, his Special Assistant Helen Voss, and his Secretary Lori Keyton all told the FBI there had been two calls from Barbara Olson <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/15072623/T1A-B33-Four-Flights-Phone-Calls-and-Other-Data-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s-843">(9/11/01 FBI 302s, pp. 1-3, 59)</a>. Certainly, <a href="http://911blogger.com/news/2011-02-05/dr-frank-legge-visibility-9-11-mounting-evidence-shows-boeing-757-200-impact-pentagon-probable#comment-245536">Ted Olson is an untrustworthy character</a>, but in this instance his account was corroborated by Keyton and Voss, in addition to the statements by AT&amp;T operators Mercy Lorezo and Teresa Gonzalez. Also, the AT&amp;T/Claircom call records showed an attempted call to Ted Olson’s number, as well as the connected unknown calls around the time/duration Ted Olson, Keyton and Voss said the calls were received from Barbara Olson. It would have been reasonable for the FBI to conclude that there were two connected calls from Barbara Olson to Ted Olson. It also would have been reasonable for the FBI to say they were unable to determine who was involved on the other connected calls from and to unknown parties. After all, the call records were missing information or unavailable, and there were 64 people on board AAL 77, each with an unknowable number of relationships; how could the FBI rule out that calls might have been made to persons not interviewed? Instead, the FBI is apparently alleging Ted Olson had more conversations with his wife than he remembers or admits, and that Voss and Keyton suffered from the same lapse of memory/attention, or were also not forthcoming. Bizarre and deserving an explanation, yes. Evidence of faked calls, no.</p>
<p>It’s interesting and possibly significant that, according to <a href="http://www.scribd.com/doc/15072623/T1A-B33-Four-Flights-Phone-Calls-and-Other-Data-Fdr-Entire-Contents-FBI-302s-843">Keyton’s 302 (p. 59)</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>At approximately 9:00am, she received a series of approximately six 6 to eight 8 collect telephone calls. Each of the calls was an automated collect call. There was a recording advising of the collect call and requesting she hold for an operator. A short time later another recording stated that all operators were busy, please hang up and try your call later.</p></blockquote>
<p>The AAL 77 call record does not show these six to eight calls.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In the Conclusion to his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin observes, “Without the widespread assumption that the 9/11 attacks had been planned and carried out by al-Qaeda, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq would not have been possible.” This is true; without this assumption, the American people, Congress and allied nations would not have supported the wars. However, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin goes on to say</a>, “… when subjected to a detailed analysis, these alleged phone calls, far from supporting the war-justifying story, lead to a very different conclusion: that these alleged calls were faked.” As I’ve shown in this essay, while Griffin has done a masterful job of creating the appearance the faked calls theory is supported by evidence and reason, this appearance rests on a significant amount of speculation, illogical argumentation, and misinterpretation and omission of evidence. There is no credible basis for claiming the 9/11 calls were faked.</p>
<p>Here’s a <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">prime example of a logical fallacy, from Griffin’s Conclusion</a>; “If the official story is false, then we should expect every major dimension of it to be false.” As <a href="http://richardfalk.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/interrogating-the-arizona-killings-from-a-safe-distance/">Richard Falk characterized it 1/11/11</a>, the “official version of the [9/11] events [is] an al Qaeda operation with no foreknowledge by government officials.” Any particular dimension of this story being false does not mean other indirectly related elements will be false, so that should not be expected. Furthermore, inquiry shouldn’t start with conclusions and theories, and then seek to find facts to fit them. The scientific, logical way of conducting an investigation begins with gathering facts and evidence, and seeing what conclusions they support. A hypothesis may be useful in sketching out lines of inquiry, but hypotheses are tools, not proofs; they’re tested against the facts and evidence, and rejected if they fail to fit the facts and evidence. This is not what Griffin has done; instead, he has continually, over a period of several years, marshaled whatever could be used to support the faked calls theory, and used rhetoric to undermine evidence and reason that contradicts this theory. Logical fallacies often seem logical to those employing as well as those hearing or reading them, and they can be persuasive if not examined carefully, or not examined in the context of other evidence and arguments. The presence of logical fallacies in arguments, however, always undermines the credibility of arguments and of the speaker/writer employing them.</p>
<p>Speculation, like hypotheses, can be useful, but it is important to recognize when one is doing it, and to not confuse speculation with fact, evidence or proof. At some points in my essay, I have engaged in speculation; my purpose in doing so is to show that there are other possible &#8211; and more probable &#8211; explanations for some of the seemingly problematic elements in records related to the 9/11 calls.</p>
<p>Griffin’s conclusion of Part 2 of his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay is worth quoting in its entirety (below), due to its repeated use of speculation and logical fallacies aimed at particular conclusions, while framed with subtle rhetorical qualifiers that make it clear Griffin understands the faked calls theory is speculative and unproven.</p>
<p>In the following passage I have underlined speculation, <em>italicized logical fallacies</em>, and <strong>bolded</strong> <strong>qualifiers</strong>, in order to draw the reader’s attention to them. In some cases statements, or parts of statements, fall into the category of both speculation and logical fallacy:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Conclusion</a>: On the one hand, the cell phone number of Tom Burnett and <strong>probably</strong> that of Renee May showed up on Caller IDs while their planes were in the air. On the other hand, the FBI’s Moussaoui trial report states that Burnett and Renee May did not use cell phones. Unless one is willing to challenge the FBI on this point,<em>what alternative is there except to conclude</em> that someone fabricated at least one, and probably both, of these calls, using a device that, besides replicating the impersonated persons’ voices, also caused their cell phone numbers to appear? <strong>That is, to be sure, speculation.</strong> But <strong>if </strong>there is no other plausible way to account for the facts, it cannot be called unwarranted speculation.</p>
<p>Moreover, <strong>if </strong>we can say with great confidence that the reported calls from Amy Sweeney and Tom Burnett (and probably Renee May) were faked, what about the reported calls from various other people – including Sandy Bradshaw, Marion Britton, Honor Wainio, Jeremy Glick, Peter Hanson, and Brian Sweeney – that were originally said to have been made on cell phones? The <em>only way to avoid the conclusion that they also were faked</em>, <strong>it seems</strong>, would be to claim that they were based on misunderstanding or faulty memory. However, the accuracy of these reports is supported not only by the fact that so many people gave them, but also by the fact that the Burnett calls, having been registered on the recipient phone’s Caller ID as cell phone calls, <em>cannot be explained with speculations about misunderstanding or faulty memory</em>. The <em>calls to Deena Burnett thereby support the accuracy of the claims of the other people who said they had been called from cell phones</em>. <strong>It would seem, </strong>therefore, that <em>we have good evidence</em>, with regard to most of the reported calls originally said to have been made on cell phones, that they were faked.</p>
<p><em>That conclusion leads to the further conclusion that all of the reported calls from the airliners were faked, even those that were from the beginning said to have been made from onboard phones.</em> Why? Because if some of the calls had been genuine, reporting real hijackings, why would several people have been all set up with the equipment and information to fabricate cell phone calls from some of the passengers? <strong>If</strong> people were ready to fabricate calls from Amy Sweeney, Tom Burnett, and most of the other people who were originally said to have made cell phone calls, then the airliners were not, as the official story has it, hijacked in a surprise operation. <strong>If</strong> the most fundamental part of the official story is false, then there is no reason to accept the reality of any of the hijack-reporting phone calls from the planes.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the first and second paragraphs above, Griffin has used logical fallacies to set up a speculative premise – and one unsupported by evidence, as I’ve shown in this essay &#8211; on which the rest of his argument is based. The main logical fallacy is the suggestion that there is no “alternative … except to conclude” that the phone calls of Tom Burnett, Amy Sweeney and “probably” Renee May were faked. As I’ve shown, there are other possible, and more probable, explanations, and Griffin’s case for faked calls has been built on errors, selective quotation/interpretation, and omission of evidence that contradicts and undermines it. The speculative premise is his conclusion that these phone calls were faked, and based this premise he argues it then follows that all the calls were faked. As there’s no actual evidence any of the phone calls were faked, there’s no basis for concluding all of the calls were faked. By using qualifiers such as “seems” and “if,” and acknowledging use of a voice-morphing cell phone faking device is “speculation,” Griffin is decidedly not going so far as to claim it’s a fact the calls were faked. However, the vast majority of his rhetoric, if uncritically accepted, leads directly to that conclusion.</p>
<p>In his final conclusion to his <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Response to Questions</a> essay, Griffin alleges, “The evidence that the alleged phone calls from the airliners were faked is an important part of this cumulative argument [that the official 9/11 story is false].” Again, as there’s no evidence the phone calls were faked, the claim that they were faked (or may have been faked) is not only not “an important part” of the case demonstrating the official 9/11 conspiracy theory is false, this claim is actually destructive to the cause of compelling full disclosure and accountability for 9/11. Speculative theories and false claims regarding the veracity of the official 9/11 story are not only not evidence that the public has been deceived about 9/11, and not useful in educating the public or compelling a full investigation, they discredit those who promote them, and, by extension and association, discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement. In turn, this makes it more difficult for journalists and public officials to support a full investigation of 9/11, as well as less likely that the general public will.</p>
<p>Also in his final conclusion, <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=16924">Griffin says</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>If asked which part of the official story can be most definitively shown to be false, I would speak not of the alleged phone calls but of the destruction of the World Trade Center, the official account of which says that the Twin Towers and WTC 7 came down without the aid of pre-set explosives. Given the fact that this theory involves massive violations of basic laws of physics, the evidence against it is so strong as to be properly called proof – as I have recently emphasized in a book-length critique of the official report on WTC 7 in particular.</p></blockquote>
<p>It’s true the evidence is good that the official account of the Twin Towers destruction is false – this has been demonstrated by Jim Hoffman in his review of the NIST report, <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/">Building a Better Mirage</a>, and by Steven Jones et al in their letter <a href="http://www.bentham.org/open/tociej/articles/V002/35TOCIEJ.pdf">Fourteen Points of Agreement with Official Government Reports on the World Trade Center Destruction [pdf]</a>, published in the Open Civil Engineering Journal. The official account of the destruction of World Trade Center 7 is also severely flawed, as shown by Kevin Ryan in his review, <a href="http://911review.com/articles/ryan/NIST_WTC7.html">The NIST WTC 7 Report: Bush Science reaches its peak</a>, and in this review at WTC7.net, <a href="http://wtc7.net/nistreport.html">NIST&#8217;s Explanation of WTC 7&#8242;s Collapse</a>. The evidence is also good that some method of controlled demolition was used to bring down all three buildings: see <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net">911Research.WTC7.net</a>, <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/">Journalof911Studies.com</a> and <a href="http://www.911speakout.org/">911SpeakOut.org</a> for the best research into this aspect of 9/11.</p>
<p>However, Griffin is in error when he says the destructions of WTC 1, 2 and 7 are the “part of the official story [which] can be most definitively shown to be false.” The truth is that the official 9/11 story quickly falls apart when examined from many different angles. For instance, it’s false that <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;geopolitics_and_9/11=complete_911_timeline_us_intel_links_to_islamic_militancy">US</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;geopolitics_and_9/11=saudis">Saudi</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;geopolitics_and_9/11=isi">Pakistani</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;geopolitics_and_9/11=israel">Israeli</a> intelligence agencies have not exploited terrorist organizations in proxy wars and operations, <a href="http://911blogger.com/node/2966">including Al Qaeda</a>, and that there are no <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;projects_and_programs">connections between them and the 9/11 plot</a>. It’s false that no one in the<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a060500hijackscenarios&amp;scale=2#a060500hijackscenarios">US government imagined a planes-as-missiles attack on US cities</a>, that there were no <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_timeline_key_warnings">warning signs</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;warning_signs:_specific_cases=foreignIntelligence">intelligence</a> pointing to the 9/11 plot, and that key people at <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=us_department_of_state">State</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=national_security_agency">NSA</a>,<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;complete_911_timeline_alhazmi_and_almihdhar__specific_cas=complete_911_timeline_cia_hiding_alhazmi___almihdhar">CIA</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=immigration_and_naturalization_service">INS</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_bureau_of_investigation">FBI</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_aviation_administration">FAA</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=national_military_command_center">NMCC</a>, <a href="http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/main/essayairdefense.html">NORAD</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=secret_service">Secret Service</a> and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=white_house">White House</a> were unaware of and/or incapable of preventing the 9/11 plot, as the public was originally told. Though it documented some new facts about what was known and not done prior to and on 9/11, the 9/11 Commission Report largely ignored, glossed over or explained away the issues raised by the links above. Things like the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=project_for_the_new_american_century">Project for the New American Century</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ptech_inc.">PTech</a>, <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/#fact6">pre-9/11 Afghanistan war planning</a>, <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/#fact2">pre-9/11 Iraq war planning</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;before_9/11=insiderTrading">unusual financial transactions</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;day_of_9/11=complete_911_timeline_training_exercises">coincident military exercises</a> and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=2001anthraxattacks">2001 Anthrax attack</a> got similar treatment, as did suspicious behavior, strange decisions and false statements on the part of principals such <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=george_w._bush">George W. Bush</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_(_dick_)_cheney">Dick Cheney</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=donald_rumsfeld">Donald Rumsfeld</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=condoleezza_rice">Condoleezza Rice</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=george_j._tenet">George Tenet</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=john_ashcroft">John Ashcroft</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=john_ashcroft">Robert Mueller</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=richard_b._myers">Richard Myers</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=ralph_eberhart">Ralph Eberhart</a> and others. Likewise, the testimony of whistleblowers such as <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=sibel_edmonds">Sibel Edmonds</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=coleen_rowley">Coleen Rowley</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=robert_wright">Robert Wright</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=anthony_shaffer">Anthony Shaffer</a>. It’s also not true that 9/11 was adequately investigated by the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom">FBI</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=911CongressionalInquiry">Congressional Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry</a> and the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;investigations:_a_detailed_look=911Commission">9/11 Commission</a> (<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030719114021/http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO307B.html">conflicts of Commissioners and key staff</a> - <a href="http://hnn.us/articles/5280.html">In depth on Philip Zelikow</a>). All of these investigations were controlled or compromised to some degree by insiders with conflicts of interest, as well as frustrated in their inquiries by agencies and persons in the Executive branch, who, in some cases, should have been targets of their investigations. Instead, in many cases, their testimonies were used as sources for the 9/11 Commission’s narrative, which also relied heavily on the <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/#fact31">testimony of tortured prisoners</a>. In the end, the 9/11 Commission Report held no one responsible; it blamed the ‘failure’ to prevent 9/11 on failures of “imagination, policy, capabilities, and management” (p. 339). Those who bore significant responsibility for the ‘failures’ to prevent 9/11 were rewarded with <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-incompetence-sabotage-and.html">raises and promotions</a>, or increased budgets, authority and deference from Congress, as well as support from the public, as the Bush Administration rushed to <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=lossofcivilliberties">subvert the Constitution</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=iraq_project">invade Iraq</a> and launch, in the words of Dick Cheney, a ‘war on terror’ that &#8220;may never end. At least, not in our lifetimes.&#8221;</p>
<p>To learn more about the many other documented problems with the official 9/11 story, many of which point directly to an ‘inside job’ scenario and to specific people and institutions, I suggest exploring <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">The Complete 9/11 Timeline</a> hosted by <a href="http://www.historycommons.org">HistoryCommons.org</a>, and also <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/">911Research.WTC7.net</a> and <a href="http://www.911review.com/">911Review.com</a>. For a general overview, with source links, of 50 areas that deserve full investigation, see <a href="http://911truthnews.com/the-facts-speak-for-themselves/">The Facts Speak for Themselves</a>, compiled and summarized by Jon Gold. If you like reading books, I suggest <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Awgp3H5mBXgC&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">The Terror Timeline by Paul Thompson</a> (based on the timeline at HistoryCommons.org), <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ZYPaAAAAMAAJ&amp;q=inauthor:%22Nafeez+Mosaddeq+Ahmed%22&amp;dq=inauthor:%22Nafeez+Mosaddeq+Ahmed%22&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=XXZLTbOZMIfDgQe6yfT9Dw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1&amp;ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA">The War on Truth by Nafeez Mossadeq Ahmed</a>, and <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=op39ymd2um0C&amp;printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false">The Road to 9/11 by Peter Dale Scott</a>.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the failure to establish truth, justice and good government lies with the American People. At the founding of the United States, Ben Franklin advised us that we had been given, “A republic, if [we] can keep it.” We do not face the kind of obstacles that people in the Middle East do, where we are seeing <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/5/uprising_in_egypt_a_two_hour">popular movements</a> and <a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/01/2011126121815985483.html">revolutions</a> against tyrannical regimes that have been supported by the Democrats, Republicans and US corporations and elites for decades. The failure of the US government to prevent 9/11, to credibly investigate it once it happened, and to establish truth and justice for responsible parties and victims, is reason enough to withdraw support from the Democrats and Republicans (and/or take back both parties from the monied elites and big business interests that control them). It’s reason enough to boycott the corporate media, faux ‘alternative’ media, and the US banking establishment, and to support independent alternatives. A <a href="http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/05/truth-and-reconciliation.html">Truth</a> and <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/truth.html">Reconciliation</a> Commission will likely be needed to get to the whole truth about 9/11, the crimes and corrupt people and institutions that enabled 9/11, and the subsequent crimes against humanity and the US Constitution that 9/11 enabled. We need to support the<a href="http://savetheinternet.com/">internet</a>, independent media and political candidates, <a href="http://www.electionintegrity.org/about/">election</a> <a href="http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/">integrity</a>, <a href="http://www.citizen.org/congress/campaign/index.cfm">campaign finance reform</a>, the <a href="http://foavc.org/">Article V Convention for Proposing Amendments to the US Constitution</a> that the Constitution peremptorily requires Congress to call, <a href="http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/03/7-questions-about-public-banking.html">monetary</a> <a href="http://www.truthmove.org/forum/topic/1319">reform</a>, <a href="http://www.creditunion.coop/how_to_join.html">credit unions</a>, <a href="http://www.ecogeek.org/">alternative energy</a>, <a href="http://www.greenamerica.org/">resource</a> <a href="http://www.postcarbon.org/about">conservation</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Exchange_Trading_Systems">local exchange trading systems</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_currency">local currencies</a>,<a href="http://www.permatopia.com">permatopia</a>, and the abolition of</p>
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		<title>Summary of FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds&#8217; August 8, 2009 deposition under oath</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[August 8, 2009 Sibel Edmonds testified to her knowledge of foreign agencies' and US officials' corruption and abuse of power; espionage, obstruction of FBI investigations, trafficking in arms and nuclear secrets, blackmail, bribery, money laundering, 9/11 foreknowledge and facilitation of terrorist activities. As Edmonds had been subpoenaed by David Krikorian to testify in connection with the Schmidt v. Krikorian lawsuit, the questioning focused on her knowledge as it related to Krikorian's allegations that Jean Schmidt had accepted 'blood money' in exchange for favors to the Turkish lobby. This is a summary of the first part of Edmonds's deposition; I wrote it as an entry for HistoryCommons.org, so it is in the present tense. 

For more info on Sibel Edmonds, see the following:
http://www.justacitizen.com/ her website - letters, legal documents and media coverage related to her whistleblowing
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/ her blog - mostly related to Establishment and MSM corruption
http://www.letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/ coverage and investigative reporting by Luke Ryland
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=sibel_edmonds Sibel Edmonds Timeline]]></description>
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<p>Source url: <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_911_timeline_6263EdmondsUnderOath#complete_911_timeline_6263EdmondsUnderOath" target="_blank">http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_911_timeline_6263EdmondsUnderOath#complete_911_timeline_6263EdmondsUnderOath</a></p>
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<h2><a href="http://visibility911.com/eriklarson/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sibel_edmonds21.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-158" title="sibel_edmonds2" src="http://visibility911.com/eriklarson/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/sibel_edmonds21.jpg" alt="" width="144" height="191" /></a>August 8, 2009: Sibel Edmonds Testifies Under Oath</h2>
<div>FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds testifies under oath in a deposition for the<em>Schmidt v. Krikorian</em> case. David Krikorian, a 2010 Democratic candidate for US Representative of Ohio, had been sued by Jean Schmidt (R-OH) in response to his claim that she had accepted “blood money” from the Turkish lobby in exchange for opposing an Armenian genocide resolution. As part of his defense against Schmidt’s charge that he had libeled her, Krikorian subpoenaed Edmonds’s testimony, as she had previously spoken and written about corruption of members of Congress by the Turkish Lobby. In two unrelated lawsuits prior to this one, Edmonds had been blocked from testifying by former Attorney General John Ashcroft, under the State Secrets Act. In <em>Schmidt v. Krikorian</em>, however, the Department of Justice under Attorney General Eric Holder does not reinvoke the claim of “state secrets” or otherwise move to block the testimony, and does not dispatch legal counsel to raise objections during the deposition. At the deposition, Krikorian is represented by Dan Marino of Mark Geragos’ law firm, Schmidt is represented by Bruce Fein, and Edmonds has retained Stephen M. Kohn of the National Whistleblower Center. Kohn says he has “asked [Sibel Edmonds] to limit her responses only to the information that she believes to be publicly available or she has learned from sources outside of her employment.” Marino begins his examination of Edmonds by asking basic questions about her background and work with the FBI, then works through a lengthy series of questions based on public statements Edmonds had made regarding events she witnessed. Much of this information has previously been reported, but for the first time, Edmonds is swearing to it under oath. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009</a>]</cite></div>
<p><span id="more-154"></span>The following subjects were covered in attorney Dan Marino’s initial examination of Sibel Edmonds:</p>
<p><img title="More..." src="https://911reports.wordpress.com/wp-includes/js/tinymce/plugins/wordpress/img/trans.gif" alt="" />Edmonds&#8217; experience with her FBI co-worker Melek Can Dickerson and her husband, Major Douglas Dickerson - Edmonds and her husband Matthew Edmonds had previously said former FBI colleague Melek Can Dickerson and her husband, Major Douglas Dickerson, attempted to bribe her to pass on sensitive information (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a12022001DickersonApproachesSibel">December 2, 2001</a>), and she confirms this. Edmonds had also previously reported to Congress and the Justice Department Inspector General that Melek Can Dickerson was spying for subjects of the FBI’s investigations (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a102001FBIHiresDickerson">(Late October 2001)</a>), and she confirms this as well. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 22-34, 38</a>]</cite></p>
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Turkish entities targeted by FBI investigations of influence and espionage - When asked if the American Turkish Council was a target of FBI investigations (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a1990sTurksBribeCongress">Late 1990s-Early 2001</a>, Edmonds confirms it, but when asked to identify others, she declines to specifically name any. When asked about the “Turkish Lobby”, Edmonds says there is an overt and a covert lobby. The covert lobby involves “trying to obtain very sensitive, classified, highly classified US intelligence information, weapons technology information, classified congressional records, recruiting—recruiting key US individuals with access to highly sensitive information, blackmailing, bribery.” She testifies the Turkish government is indirectly involved, and that its concerns include access to US aid and weapons, as well as preventing Congress from passing a resolution acknowledging the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 26-41</a>]</cite></p>
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Edmonds&#8217; &#8216;State Secrets Privilege Gallery&#8217; - Marino asks the meaning of the ‘State Secrets Privilege Gallery’ at her website, justacitizen.com (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=complete_911_timeline_6263EdmondsUnderOath#a010608SibelGallery">January 6, 2008</a>). The gallery is a collection of photos without names; Edmonds explains it features the subjects of FBI investigations Edmonds was part of during her time as an FBI translator, whose names and criminal activities were being protected by claims of State Secrets and the gag orders she had been placed under. The twenty-one photos (including three place holders with question marks) feature current and former State and Defense Dept. officials; current and former members of Congress; and lobbyists and members of think tanks. Marino then names nine of the people listed in the gallery, and asks why they’re listed. As it had been reported by others that Marc Grossman was the person involved, Edmonds discusses, in some detail, her knowledge of his involvement with a criminal network stealing and selling US nuclear secrets (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a010608sundaytimes">January 6, 2008 and After</a>), as well as his disclosure to a Turkish agent that Brewster Jennings was a CIA front company investigating nuclear trafficking (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=asummer01grossmanbja">Summer-Autumn 2001</a>). Edmonds discusses the others in more general terms; Dennis Hastert (R-IL), Dan Burton (R-IN), Stephen Solarz (D-NY), Bob Livingston (R-LA) and Tom Lantos (D-CA) are all variously accused of accepting bribes in exchange for serving the interests of foreign governments, as well as involvement in blackmail and money laundering. Lantos is also accused of “disclosing highest level protected US intelligence and weapons technology information both to Israel and to Turkey.” Edmonds indicates the question mark in the Congressional group is a bisexual woman and a current member of Congress. Turkish agents wanted her to oppose an Armenian genocide resolution, and because her husband was an influential businessman. Edmonds did not include her photo in the gallery, and declines to name her in the deposition, as she is unaware if the congresswoman had actually been blackmailed, or done anything illegal. However, in an interview published in the November 2008 American Conservative, Edmonds names her as Jan Schakowsky (D-IL). <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 42-84</a>]</cite></p>
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Indirect knowledge of illicit Israeli influence on Congress - Asked if she is “aware of the Israeli government or Israeli organizations influencing members of Congress,” Edmonds responds, “Indirectly, based on how they work, some of the largest Israeli lobby groups with the entities such as ATC and also the Turkish diplomatic community and how they actually trained and make it possible for the Turkish lobby and these entities to do it. [T]hey had training period in ‘96 and ‘98 from individuals that were sent to them from both [AIPAC] and JINSA, both the lobbying, but also on… covering up the money track.” <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 64</a>]</cite></p>
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Behrooz Sarshar&#8217;s testimony regarding FBI 9/11 foreknowledge - Marino asks Edmonds about an entry on her Wikipedia page that said, “[Edmonds] claims that the FBI received information in April 2001 from a reliable Iranian intelligence asset that Osama bin Ladin was planning attacks on four to five cities with planes. Some of the people were already in the country, and the attacks would happen in a few months.” Edmonds clarifies that she knew of this incident from FBI translator Behrooz Sarshar (see [<a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=a0401fbitranslators">April 2001</a> ), and her role was that she, “facilitated Mr. Sharshar’s meeting with 9/11Commission and also with the Glenn Fine, Department of Justice Inspector General’s Office, and… put him in touch with the members of media.” <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 66-67</a>]</cite></p>
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How blackmail operations are conducted by Turkish operatives - Sibel Edmonds explains how blackmail operations were conducted by Turkish agents. “[E]veryone was taught in [FBI] counterintelligence—that the target[,] US persons, whether they are in Congress or executive branch or whatever, first go by foreign entities to what they refer to as hooking period, and it was very common; it’s a very common way of trying to find vulnerability, and that is sexual, financial, any other kinds of greeds, and it was… being done a lot, and in some cases certain people from Pentagon would send a list of individuals with access to sensitive data, whether weapons technology or nuclear technology, and this information would include all their sexual preference, how much they owed on their homes, if they have gambling issues, and the State Department, high level State Department person would provide it to these foreign operatives, and those foreign operatives then would go and hook those Pentagon people, whether they were at RAND or some other Air Force base. And then the hooking period would take some times. Sometimes it takes months, sometimes one year. They would ask for small favor, but eventually after they reviewed the targets… then they would go blackmail and that person would give them everything, nuclear related information, weapons related information. It always worked for them. So it was not always money.” <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 72-74</a>]</cite></p>
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The historical reality and Turkish denial of the Armenian Genocide - Edmonds acknowledges the Ottoman genocide of Armenians as historical fact. She also notes that in Turkish society acknowledgment of the genocide is not permitted, and there are active efforts to suppress and dispute information and views related to it. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 78-81</a>]</cite></p>
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The revolving door between the US government and the Turkish Lobby - Asked if she was aware that members of Congress have left office and become lobbyists for Turkey, Edmonds affirms her knowledge of Hastert, Solarz and Livingston having done so. She also adds, “But then there are people who work for these lobbying firms who are not the top, but they have received their share while they were working, whether they are in Pentagon. One person was Defense Intelligence Agency person, Dana Bauer, and now she works for Bob Livingston, but this individual, Ms. Bauer, did a lot of favors and illegal favors… for [the] government of Turkey and others, and then was hired by Livingston and put on a big salary to represent Turkish government. So it’s not only top tier of the lobbying firm, but then the people who work for them later and the various layers of those people.” <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 83</a>]</cite></p>
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Quid Pro Quo: Congress and the Turkish Lobby - Attorney Marino solicits Edmonds understanding of Congress, lobbyists and ‘quid pro quo’, with a hypothetical example he deems “particularly relevant to our case”, saying: “You have a hypothetical Congresswoman from State X. Her district has no Turkish population to speak of or Armenian population to speak of. She’s the largest recipient of Turkish PAC money in the 2008 election cycle. All right? She meets with Livingston and Rogers or Livingston Group when they’re escorting members of the Turkish parliament to a reception. She receives fact sheets from the Livingston Group talking about Turkish relations; goes to luncheons in honor of the Turkish Foreign Minister, and she opposes Armenian genocide resolution and, in fact, refuses to even recognize the genocide as a historical fact.” Edmonds responds, “Based on several that I personally know about in terms of how they conduct and how they behave, those elected officials who are serving the foreign government’s interest, I would say that’s modus operandi that you describe. It’s a classic fit of how individuals who happen to owe their position and favors to a foreign government, in this particular case Turkey, behave… and the kinds of people they associate with. That modus operandi classically matches of the individuals I know who were serving Turkish government’s and other Turkish entities’ interest.” <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 84-87</a>]</cite></p>
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Turkish practices and policies &#8220;inimical to American interests&#8221;, that resulted in &#8220;lost lives&#8221; - Edmonds is asked about a deposition-related declaration in which she stated that she had, “obtained evidence that the government of Turkey had engaged in practices and policies that were inimical to American interests and had, in fact, resulted in both the direct and indirect loss of American lives.” As examples, Edmonds refers to the setting up of Madrassahs in order to radicalize Muslims to be Mujahedeen and use them as proxies in conflicts and terrorism; trafficking in heroin; “illegally obtaining and selling” US military weapons and technology including nuclear secrets, as well as other top secret information, including foreign policy secrets; and the exposure of Brewster-Jennings as a CIA front company investigating nuclear trafficking (see <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/item.jsp?item=asummer01grossmanbja">Summer-Autumn 2001</a>).<cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 88-94</a>]</cite></p>
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Fethullah Gulen, US-protected Madrassah financier - When asked who Fethullah Gulen (spelled Fetullah Gulan in the transcript) is, Edmonds states his network controlled around $25 billion and had set up 300 Madrassahs in Central Asia. She says he fled Turkey when Turkish authorities linked him to plans to overthrow the secular Turkish government, and he was permitted to enter and remain in the US without a visa. Edmonds states he is establishing Madrassah’s in the US that are allegedly moderate but are in fact radicalizing Muslims, and that Gulen is being protected by US authorities because US entities consider his network useful for waging proxy wars over Central Asian energy resources. As an analogy, Edmonds says the “Cold War is not over”. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 94-98</a>]</cite></p>
<p>After Marino’s examination, Bruce Fein cross-examines Edmonds, then Marino re-examines and Fein cross-examines her again. The entire deposition lasts about four and a half hours. <cite>[<a href="http://www.whistleblowers.org/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=928&amp;Itemid=98" target="_blank">EDMONDS, 8/8/2009, PP. 104-216</a>]</cite></p>
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		<title>‘Terrorist Threats’ Covered by CA Penal Code Sec. 422 by Erik Larson</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m retracting the article originally posted here as it has been brought to my attention that threats prosecuted under Section 422 of the California Penal Code are sometimes referred to as “terrorist threats.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m retracting the article originally posted here as it has been brought to my attention that threats prosecuted under Section 422 of the California Penal Code are sometimes referred to as “terrorist threats.”</p>
<p>As Bruno Bruhwiler said in a comment at 911blogger after he was made aware of my article: “It took me less than a minute to Google &#8216;Terrorist Threat&#8217; and &#8216;California Penal Code&#8217; and I found Penal Code 422. Terrorist Threat and Criminal Threat both fall under California Penal Code 422.” http://911blogger.com/news/2010-06-15/wearechangela-organizer-faces-terrorism-charge#comment-233921</p>
<p>Google is a tool I should have used before posting my article. I apologize to anyone who relied on it, and particularly to Bruhwiler and his associates, as my article implied they may have committed wire fraud by saying he had been charged with making a “terrorist threat.” Assuming Bruhwiler is committed to non-violent activism and that the charges against him are baseless, I wish him the best of luck in fighting them in the court system, and for being recompensed for any injustices and mistreatment he may have suffered in the LA penal system.</p>
<p>A google search for &#8216;Terrorist Threat&#8217; and &#8216;California Penal Code&#8217; gets the below as the top three hits: https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=%27Terrorist+Threat%27+and+%27California+Penal+Code%27&amp;btnG=Google+Search&amp;aq=f&amp;aqi=&amp;aql=&amp;oq=&amp;gs_rfai=</p>
<p>“In California, Terrorist or Criminal Threats are Illegal. A terrorist or criminal threat is a threat of violence, threat to hurt, injure or kill others with the intent of intimidating or frightening them, or causing public panic. Examples of terrorist or criminal threats include:… Threatening harm or injury to a neighbor” http://www.lacriminaldefenseattorney.com/criminalthreats.html</p>
<p>“Section 422 of the California Penal Code makes it illegal to make criminal threats (formerly called ‘terrorist threats’)”. http://www.shouselaw.com/criminal_threats.html</p>
<p>“Despite its name, the crime of terrorist threats does not necessarily implicate al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations for their inflammatory speech or their attempts at political blackmail. Instead, the offense has more to do with situations involving domestic violence, hate crimes, bomb threats, and school violence. The question presented as to when is a threat actually a violation of the criminal law presents a tension between an individuals free-speech rights and the government’s duty to protect its citizens.” http://www.criminalattorney.com/news/terrorist-threats/</p>
<p>It does not excuse the fact that my research should have been more thorough, but so that the public can understand why I was led to believe that referring to a charge under Sec. 422 was being improperly characterized as a “terrorist threat,” (which I had associated with the “post-9/11 world”, the “war on terror”, indefinite detention, rendition, Guantanamo, Bagram Air Base, etc.), here’s the text of the code:</p>
<p>CALIFORNIA CODES: PENAL CODE: SECTION 422-422.4</p>
<p>422.  Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family&#8217;s safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison. For the purposes of this section, &#8220;immediate family&#8221; means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household. &#8220;Electronic communication device&#8221; includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. &#8220;Electronic communication&#8221; has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=00055010631+7+0+0&amp;WAISaction=retrieve</p>
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		<title>War Protest Arrests: Eight Put Their Bodies on the Gears of the War Machine</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Corrected, revised and updated March 27, 2010 March 20, 2010, thousands of people gathered across from the White House in D.C. and thousands more gathered around the U.S. to commemorate the 7th anniversary of the illegal U.S. attack on Iraq, and to protest Obama’s continuation of the violent occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan, and other [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrected, revised and updated March 27, 2010</p>
<p><span id="more-139"></span>March 20, 2010, <a href="http://www.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=M20_endorserslist">thousands of people</a> gathered <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/03/20/ST2010032002907.html?sid=ST2010032002907">across from the White House in D.C.</a> and thousands more gathered <a href="http://news.google.com/news/search?aq=f&amp;pz=1&amp;cf=all&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=%22iraq+war%22+and+protest+and+%22march+20%22">around the U.S.</a> to commemorate the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=iraq_project">7<sup>th</sup> anniversary of the illegal U.S. attack on Iraq</a>, and to protest <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/19498">Obama</a>’s continuation of the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=us_occupation_of_iraq">violent occupation of Iraq</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=afghanwar">Afghanistan</a>, and other abuses of power. Eight people- <a href="http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/">Cindy Sheehan</a>, <a href="http://www.elainebrower.com/">Elaine Brower</a>, <a href="http://www.ivaw.org/member/matthis-chiroux">Matthis Chiroux</a>, <a href="http://www.yourbbsucks.com/forum/index.php">Jon Gold</a>, <a href="http://www.myspace.com/leflora">Leflora Cunningham-Walsh</a>, <a href="http://www.hs.facebook.com/dennis.frostbutter">Dennis Frostbutter</a>, Alex MacDonald and James Veeder- engaged in civil disobedience and were arrested.</p>
<p>Many people spoke at the D.C. rally, including peace activist <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_sheehan">Cindy Sheehan</a>, organizer of the <a href="http://peaceoftheaction.org/">Peace Of The Action</a> campaign and Camp OUT NOW. Cindy called for people to physically disrupt the activities of the war machine, and quoted from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcx9BJRadfw&amp;feature=related">Mario Savio’s 1964 speech at Berkeley</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There&#8217;s a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can&#8217;t take part; you can&#8217;t even passively take part; and you&#8217;ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers and all the apparatus and you’ve got to make it stop; and you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it, that unless you’re free the machine will be prevented from working at all.”</p></blockquote>
<p>After marchers stacked symbolic coffins on the sidewalk next to the White House, Cindy Sheehan and the others named above refused U.S. Park Police orders to stay behind a barrier or to move, and they were arrested. According to Sgt. David Schlosser, who cited <a href="http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/7-96-national-capital-region-19768726">Title 36, Section 7.96 of the Federal Code</a>, the charges were “crossing a police line” and/or “refusing to obey a lawful order.” Schlosser said that Leflora Cunningham and another person, whose name who he did not have at the time I spoke to him, were released; the others are being held pending arraignment on Monday, March 22. [update: the six who were held were arraigned and released March 22; they pled not guilty.]</p>
<p>Truth activist Jon Gold cited the <a href="http://911pressfortruth.com/">9/11 cover up</a> and exploitation of the attacks to justify pre-emptive war as the reason for his civil disobedience. He dedicated his arrest to 9/11 victim Robert McIlvaine, Jr. and the 2971 other victims of 9/11. Cindy Sheehan has previously called for a full investigation of 9/11, and March 17 she <a href="http://911truth.org/article.php?story=20100318021640314">invited truthers to participate in Camp OUT NOW</a>.</p>
<p>The bombing and subsequent invasion of Iraq in 2003 were justified by the <a href="http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/">Bush Administration’s false assertions</a> that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD, had ties to Al Qaeda, and was linked to 9/11. 9/11 was the license for the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=us_torture_abuse">torture</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=civilliberties&amp;civilliberties_surveillance">warrantless wiretapping</a>, and other <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=lossofcivilliberties">subversions of the Constitution</a>- and Obama has cited 9/11 to justify continuation of the same. Given that this license for war and abuse of power (the official 9/11 narrative) has been <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">shown to be false</a> in many aspects; that evidence indicates the <a href="http://justicefor911.org/Justicefor911Index_111904.php">involvement of parties other than Bin Laden and Al Qaeda</a>; and that the 9/11 Commission Report was a <a href="http://911reports.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/911-truth-part-3-of-11-the-911-commission-cover-up/">whitewash and effectively a cover up</a>, it is as important to demand true answers and accountability for 9/11 as it is to demand the end to the illegal wars and occupations, abuse of prisoners and draconian security measures that have stemmed from 9/11. For this reason, a significant number of people at the rally had 9/11 Truth signs and were handing out materials which presented evidence and raised questions.</p>
<p>Well over 7000 U.S. and allied troops, contractors and journalists have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan because of the U.S. invasions. And <a href="http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html">over 8000 Afghan civilians</a>, and <a href="http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html">at least 815,000</a> (possibly <a href="http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html">over 1.3 million</a>) Iraqi civilians have died as a result of the Bush-launched and Obama-continued wars. <a href="http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html">Over 1.65 million</a> have been injured in Iraq and Afghanistan. Again, these deaths and injuries are a result of the false information and propaganda fed to the public about 9/11 by the Democrats, Republicans and the owners of the military-industrial-financial-media complex that is profiting from war and the abuse of power.</p>
<p>We the People bear responsibility for the death and destruction as well; this is our government, and those that serve in it are our public servants, though they may be compromised or corrupt. There was a republic, but we have not kept it, as Benjamin Franklin admonished; now we have a <a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/february_2010/only_21_say_u_s_government_has_consent_of_the_governed">pretense of a republic</a>. Many Americans believe this is as good as it gets in an imperfect world, and vote the &#8216;lesser evil&#8217;, or don&#8217;t bother voting at all because the &#8216;two&#8217; parties both serve the interests of corporations and the economic elite, and the system is rigged against other candidates. Others support independent candidates or third parties on principle, have turned to independent media and <a href="http://moveyourmoney.info/">moved their money</a> to local banks or credit unions. Many people are actively working to reform the system and increase transparency and accountability. (<a href="http://911reports.wordpress.com/">see links on the left side; suggestions appreciated</a>).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_against_the_Iraq_War">When the Iraq War was launched</a>, a few hundred thousand in the U.S. protested, joined by hundreds of thousands more around the world. Thousands, probably over ten thousand around the U.S., protested the wars this year, but were not willing to risk arrest (myself included). Those who are engaging in civil disobedience and being arrested in order to disrupt the criminal operation of our government by corrupt special interests are putting their bodies on the gears of the war machine. Eight is not enough to stop it. Eight thousand would only slow it down for a time. Still, I find their determination and bold action inspiring, for the same reason that the actions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie">Rachel Corrie</a> in <a href="http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article1248.shtml">Gaza</a> and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man">Tank Man of Tianenmen Square</a> and inspiring.</p>
<p>Buckminster Fuller commented once, &#8220;You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.&#8221; There are over 6 billion people alive on Earth today, and hundreds of thousands are born and die every day. In the course of human history, hundreds of millions have been killed in conflicts over land, resources, ideologies and selfish designs on power. Hundreds of millions have needlessly suffered and died because money and power are valued more than love and life. All known systems of government become corrupted in human hands, but everywhere that human beings live in large numbers, people accept corrupt government as a lesser evil compared with chaos and anarchy. I don’t know what will make the “existing model obsolete,” but I hope we find it soon.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.&#8221; – Margaret Mead</p>
<p>“Whatever you do may seem insignificant to you, but it is most important that you do it.” &#8211; Mohandas Ghandi</p></blockquote>
<p>Dennis Frostbutter exhorts the crowd<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=coffinsFrostbutterjobsnotwarsign-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/coffinsFrostbutterjobsnotwarsign-1.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>War protest: occupation of White House sidewalk<br />
Elaine Brower, Matthis Chiroux, Jon Gold, Dennis Frostbutter and Alex Macdonald in view:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=coffinsoutofiraqcopface.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/coffinsoutofiraqcopface.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>Leflora Cunningham-Walsh arrested<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=coffinsCunninghamarrest3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/coffinsCunninghamarrest3.jpg" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>Jon Gold arrested<br />
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<p>Jon Gold dedicates arrest to 9/11 victims before being taken to jail<br />
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<p>L-R at bottom center: Matthis Chiroux, Elaine Brower and Cindy Sheehan at the paddy wagon<br />
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<p>Bike Cops and Peace Signs<br />
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		<title>Shinki and Ed Paik Accounts vs. CIT Methods</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Citizen Investigation Team (CIT) have cited Shinki and Ed Paik’s witness accounts to support their claims that the plane said to have hit the Pentagon on 9/11 (American Airlines Flight 77), actually flew on a different flight path (‘north of Citgo’) and flew over the Pentagon. Ed Paik’s account appears in their films ‘The Pentacon’, and most recently ‘National Security Alert’ (NSA). In addition, Ed’s account has been cited repeatedly in their articles and online discussions. However, my January 2010 interviews of Ed and Shinki, as well as a 2006 interview of Ed recorded by Dylan Avery, Ed Paik’s drawings and gestures for CIT, and other related material, show that certain facts have been omitted or distorted by CIT in their attempt to make their case for the ‘north of Citgo path’.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com">Citizen Investigation Team</a> (CIT) have cited Shinki and Ed Paik’s witness accounts to support their claims that the plane said to have hit the Pentagon on 9/11 (American Airlines Flight 77), actually flew on a different flight path (‘north of Citgo’) and flew over the Pentagon. Ed Paik’s account appears in their films ‘<a href="http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/videos-pentaconsgv.html">The Pentacon</a>’, and most recently ‘<a href="http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html">National Security Alert</a>’ (NSA). In addition, Ed’s account has been cited repeatedly in their articles and online discussions. However, my January 2010 interviews of Ed and Shinki, as well as a 2006 interview of Ed recorded by Dylan Avery, Ed Paik’s drawings and gestures for CIT, and other related material, show that certain facts have been omitted or distorted by CIT in their attempt to make their case for the ‘north of Citgo path’.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I. Summary of Erik Larson 2010 Shinki and Ed Paik Video</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">II. Ed Paik says he was inside the A-One office when the plane flew past; Shinki says he was outside</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">III. From inside the office, Ed Paik saw the right wing- and perhaps the fuselage</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">IV. Shinki Paik said the VDOT tower antenna was “bent over … about 60, 70 degrees”</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">V. Ed Paik’s drawings and gestures for CIT have been misrepresented</span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;">VI. Conclusion </span></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span id="more-134"></span><br />
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">I. Summary of Erik Larson 2010 Shinki and Ed Paik Video<span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></strong></p>
<p>The video is mainly footage from my January 2010 interviews with Shinki and Ed Paik, but also includes 2006 video footage of Ed being interviewed by Russell Pickering, Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis, which was recorded by Dylan Avery. Ed’s 2006 testimony largely confirms what he told me in 2010. In my interviews, Shinki and Ed Paik said that on September 11, 2001, they were in their shop&#8217;s office watching and discussing the news coverage of the attacks on the World Trade Center, when they heard the increasingly loud noise of a large jet approaching their location, very low. Shinki was behind the counter, and Ed was in front of it, and the noise was so loud, they both instinctively ducked. At this point, Shinki and Ed’s accounts diverge. Shinki said Ed “went out” and he saw Ed outside, ducking, when the plane passed by. There is a large window in front of the counter, and a large window in the door, which give a view of their parking lot, Columbia Pike, and the other side of the road. Shinki saw the outside get dark briefly, but did not see any part of the plane. According to Ed, he was inside when the plane flew past, and while ducking in front of the counter, he looked up and out the window, and saw the “big”, “black” “right wing” of a plane for &#8220;1 or 2 seconds&#8221;. In two places on the August 2006 Avery footage, Ed indicates he was in the office. In my interview, Ed says his “feeling” was the body of the plane was very low and directly over their shop, with the right wing extending over their parking lot and Columbia Pike. In 2010 he said he did not see the body of the plane, but in the 2006 footage he described the body as “gray.” Shinki said that after the plane passed, he saw the VDOT antenna “bent over” towards the Pentagon &#8220;about 60, 70 degrees&#8221;, and that it was not like this before the plane went past. He recalls noticing that on September 11, but Ed didn&#8217;t remember seeing the bent antenna. Both remember it being worked on; Shinki thought it was the following day or soon after, and Ed seemed sure it was the next day that people were working on it. Ed also recalled talking to others in the area regarding the work being done on the tower, and that they were also under the impression that the plane had hit the antenna.</p>
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<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">II. Ed Paik says he was inside the A-One office when the plane flew past; Shinki says he was outside<span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></strong></p>
<p>As of this writing, if they have it, CIT has not released footage from their 11/4/06 interview (used in NSA) in which Ed Paik states his own location when the plane flew past; they have only released footage that shows him describing and pointing out the plane’s location and heading. However, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SeOa6AQyt0">1/24/10, CIT released August 2006 footage of Shinki Paik</a>, in which he says Ed first went outside, and then the plane flew over:</p>
<p>Shinki Paik: “… And at the last moment my brother jumped out the office and as soon as he went out he was just scooping down and I was sitting here, and then standing, and then I think at that moment a big airplane just flew over. &#8230; As soon as he went out, jumped out he was scooping down on the ground and then I think he thought something hitting him and then I see here inside … the kinda black cloud a little bit.”</p>
<p>Craig Ranke: “A shadow?”</p>
<p>Shinki: “[inaudible] shadow, yeah.”</p>
<p><a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">Shinki Paik reported the same sequence of events to me, 1/5/10</a>:</p>
<p>Shinki Paik: “We heard some- enormous- almost incomprehensible noise- is that something is dropping here. So we kinda scootin’ down here [demonstrates ducking]. But my brother- in a way he felt more ‘dangerous’ and insecure- insecurity or something- he went out [points to door] and jumped out. And as soon as he went out, I saw he was he was doing like this, right? [demonstrates ducking and covering his head] And something flip a second [makes fast motion with hands] and a little bit dark in the sky- and about less than a second or something, boom! And we ran out [makes running motion with fists]. Across the street is a … State of Virginia Traffic [inaudible] Center. We look to the Pentagon side, there’s a plume of smoke coming up.” (0:10)</p>
<p>However, in my <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">interview of Ed Paik 1/9/10</a>, he says he saw the plane <span style="text-decoration: underline;">through the office front window</span>, and that he went outside <span style="text-decoration: underline;">after</span> it passed by:</p>
<p>Ed Paik: [Ed is standing in front of the counter] “Shinki sitting over there, I’m standing up here. We’d been talking about the Twin Towers. And then we heard about- the big sound. And then I just look out like this [bends over, ducking and turning head to look out the front window] and then aircraft- I can hear- black, big wing as it goes- heading to that way [motions with arm, sweeping from West to East, roughly parallel to Columbia Pike]</p>
<p>Erik Larson: “So- were you outside when it happened?”</p>
<p>Ed: “After that- I saw it, and after that I go out.”</p>
<p>Erik: “So, you were inside when the plane flew over.”</p>
<p>Ed: “Yeah- flew this way.” [indicates path with his hand, West to East, parallel to Columbia Pike, again]</p>
<p>Erik: “OK. But you were looking outside the window.”</p>
<p>Ed: [bends head down, and points outside] “Looking outside here.” (1:10)</p>
<p>I was surprised to hear Ed say he had been in the office and had only seen the right wing of the plane through the window, as Shinki had indicated he was outside, and CIT have always represented Ed as being in A-One’s parking lot. For instance, on the <a href="http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?s=3671bf7f7146b66c7034bd9465a1cec8&amp;amp;showtopic=11448&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=6896278">Loose Change forum 8/25/06, Aldo Marquis (Merc)</a> said, “Edward actually went outside when they heard the jet approacing [sic] and actually saw the plane.” On the <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=41&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1014879">CIT forum 12/6/07, Craig Ranke</a> referred a graphic of the parking lot as &#8220;Edward&#8217;s POV&#8221;. And CIT’s films ‘Pentacon’ and ‘National Security Alert’ feature Ed in the A-One parking lot gesturing and describing the flight path and location of the plane’s body and wings (Ed Paik’s account starts at 16:45 in NSA, but the footage can be seen in this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1E6HHOfBbE">youtube short, starting at 2:53</a>).</p>
<p>When I reviewed the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZL97reiuWE">August 2006 interview of Ed Paik by the Loose Change/CIT/Russ Pickering crew</a>, I noticed that Ed had, at that time, indicated he was in the office when he saw the plane, though it is a bit unclear due to his English being rough:</p>
<p>Ed Paik: &#8220;I heard about the- a very big jet sound- looks like just up to here [puts hand above head, close] <strong>I just look at outside [turns head]</strong>- big black wing coming- that way [motions with hand] <strong>and then I just running out</strong>- then 2, 3 seconds- boom! (Avery 0:01, Larson 3:37)&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Aldo Marquis: <strong>&#8220;You didn&#8217;t see it come over you, then.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Ed Paik: <strong>&#8220;I cannot see that, because at the time- I- facing through the- in the office.</strong> So the airplane coming this way- [points]- to the- my right hand side- it goes- [sweeps arm fast]- to the Pentagon.&#8221; (Avery 1:30, Larson 3:59)</p>
<p>If an eyewitness account is going to be used in reference an event, it needs to be acknowledged where they said they were when they witnessed it. And if an eyewitness says that person was somewhere else, that needs to be taken into account as well. Even when eyewitness are in close proximity, their accounts sometimes differ on significant details, and Ed and Shinki’s accounts are a prime example. Both of them are consistent in regarding their own accounts from 2006 to 2010; so who’s right about Ed’s location when the plane flew past? Ed is adamant that he was inside, and physically demonstrates where he was and how he reacted. What he described seeing on 9/11, in both 2006 and 2010, is from the vantage point of his being in the office. My interview of Ed was in front of Shinki; he didn’t say anything to correct Ed, and I confirmed Ed’s location with him twice. It seems to me the most likely explanation is that Shinki’s recollection of the sequence of events got confused, as everything happened so fast; according to Ed, he ran outside immediately after seeing the plane pass. In any case, it’s not logical to use Ed’s account of where the plane was, but discount or omit where he says he was when he saw it.</p>
<p>CIT may or may not have footage of Ed Paik from their 11/4/06 interview in which he describes his location. Certainly, they should have been aware of his statements from August 2006 which place him in the office- and Aldo Marquis is the one who said, <strong>&#8220;You didn&#8217;t see it come over you, then.” </strong>If Aldo and Craig felt it was unclear, they should have clarified his location in their November 2006 interview of him; not doing so is sloppy research. If they were aware that Ed says he saw the plane from the office, and they did not disclose this- in order to create the impression that Ed was in the parking lot- this is manipulative and dishonest journalism. Ironically, <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=677&amp;st=0&amp;#entry2301105">Craig Ranke said on the CIT forum 8/9/09</a>, “Witnesses are data points. You can only rely on them for the general placement of the plane <strong>in relation to the ground they are standing</strong>. You can&#8217;t use a witness to extrapolate what you want regarding the placement of the plane in an area that they would not even be able to witness from their location! That is spin and is deceptive.”</p>
<p>In this photo Ed demonstrates how he ducked:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=Paik-EdDucking-ShinkiBkgd.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/Paik-EdDucking-ShinkiBkgd.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" width="432" height="317" /></a></p>
<p>In this photo Ed points out the window, indicating where he saw the plane:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=Paik-Edpointingfromcounter.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/Paik-Edpointingfromcounter.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" width="432" height="317" /></a></p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">III. From inside the office, Ed Paik saw the right wing- and perhaps the fuselage<span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></strong></p>
<p>Ed Paik’s testimony is consistent from 2006 and 2010 regarding his being in the office when the plane passed by. It’s also consistent in that, in addition to the loud jet sound and his impression that the plane was very low, he clearly recalls seeing a big, black wing (Ed saw the wing from underneath, <a href="http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0188152/L/&amp;sid=2d7d21b7895a801ac86ed06003eac904">shadowed from the sun</a>). The only significant difference is that in the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZL97reiuWE">2006 LC/CIT/Pickering interview</a>, he said he saw the body of the plane (perhaps an engine?), which he described as “gray” (similar to an American Airlines plane). Also in the 2006 interview, he said he believed the right wing tip was extending over Columbia Pike- far enough to hit the VDOT tower:</p>
<p>Russell Pickering: &#8220;Did you see anything about the airplane, how many engines, what color, anything about the plane?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ed Paik: &#8220;Uh, no, I just only- <strong>feeling&#8217;s it looks like a- black wing- very huge, black wing.</strong> That&#8217;s what I saw then.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aldo Marquis and another person: &#8220;Black wings?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ed: &#8220;Yeah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aldo: &#8220;Do you remember what color the plane, the body was?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ed: <strong>&#8220;Body&#8217;s look like gray- kind of gray. And the wing- underneath wing is looked like, uh, black,</strong> because I saw it like (turns head, then turns back, motioning with hands, fast). Soon as the uh- passed, away. (Avery 0:56, Larson 5:41)</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Russell Pickering: &#8220;In relation to your street, would you say like here&#8217;s one wing tip, here&#8217;s another wing tip- right in the middle of the airplane, where would you put that in relation to the street?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ed Paik: <strong>&#8220;Right wing; right wing is at the end of the street. Left wing, I cannot see the (inaudible). Right wing is at end of street.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Russell: <strong>&#8220;The right wing was as far out as the tower, so the center of the airplane was near the road.&#8221;</strong></p>
<p>Ed: <strong>&#8220;Yeah, on the road, yeah. </strong>That&#8217;s why it hit the antenna.&#8221; (Avery 2:44, Larson 6:20)</p>
<p>Also in the 2006 interview, Ed also says the plane almost hit the last building of the Navy Annex (2:31), but even from the vantage point of the parking lot, Ed would not have been able to see this, which is clear from CIT’s footage used in Pentacon and NSA. It seems he was either speculating, or perhaps incorporating into his account what another witness had described. CIT ignored or neglected to note Ed’s statements regarding his location, but made special note of this by adding text to the youtube video which transcribed that part of his statement. Again, ironic, considering <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=677&amp;st=0&amp;#entry2301105">Craig Ranke’s 8/9/09 statement</a>; “You can&#8217;t use a witness to extrapolate what you want regarding the placement of the plane in an area that they would not even be able to witness from their location! That is spin and is deceptive.”</p>
<p>In my interview of him, Ed says that he did not see the body, but he describes the wing as a “triangle”. Considering Ed’s 2010 statement describing the wing as a “<a href="http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-757-223/0090394/L/&amp;sid=2d7d21b7895a801ac86ed06003eac904">triangle</a>” in conjunction with his 2006 statement in which he describes the body as gray, it may be that he saw the wing close to the base, and that he got a glimpse of the fuselage in 2001- enough to recall its color, in 2006.</p>
<p><a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">2010 Erik Larson interview</a>:</p>
<p>Erik Larson: “To be clear, when you looked outside, how much of the plane could you see- just the wing part, or could you see any of the body?”</p>
<p>Ed Paik: “No. Just the- body side- [points to his roof] my roof side [places hand above his head]</p>
<p>Erik: “OK, so all you saw was the wing.”</p>
<p>Ed: “Right hand side, the wing. That is my feeling … because- if I see the one that is left-hand side, then I can see the body, and [inaudible]. But I don’t see anything, only kind of a triangle side [makes shape with hands]- kind of an- a wing [motions with right hand, West to East]. One second or two.”</p>
<p>Erik: “What do you mean, ‘triangle side’?”</p>
<p>Ed: “Looks like [traces out triangle shape with hands]- right-hand side…”</p>
<p>Erik: “It was like the right wing, that you saw?”</p>
<p>Ed: “Right wing, that’s right.” (4:51 – segment starts at 4:19)</p>
<p>I took the below two photos while down on one knee in front of the counter, to approximate Ed’s position.</p>
<p>This photo shows the view directly out the front window, about where Ed says he was:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=Paik-frontwindowstraightup.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/Paik-frontwindowstraightup.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" width="614" height="461" /></a></p>
<p>This photo out the front window shows the VDOT tower on the left:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=Paik-frontwindow-VDOT.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/Paik-frontwindow-VDOT.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" width="614" height="461" /></a></p>
<p>There are at least a couple possibilities for the plane’s location that account for Ed’s seeing the right wing (and possibly the fuselage) from this vantage point:</p>
<p>1) If the plane was close to the tops of the telephone poles and crossing Columbia Pike, left wing tip close to the Sheraton Hotel, fuselage almost directly over his shop, heading NE over the Navy Annex (aka FOB #2), as CIT claims, then all Ed might have seen was the right wing, and perhaps the fuselage. However, this path would mean the plane was below the line of sight of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvmtq98Qv6A">Dawn Vignola</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBmgsjC6Nc">Tim Timmerman</a> at the Sheraton, and they both said they could see it at that point, which was shortly before it disappeared behind some buildings closer to them. In <a href="http://911reports.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/dawn-vignola-account-vs-cit-methods-by-erik-larson/">my interview with Dawn Vignola</a>, she also said she had seen the plane cross <em>in front</em> of the Sheraton. A plane on this ‘north path’ would also mean that Madelyn Zakhem (who was outside on the south side of Columbia Pike) would have seen it over the Navy Annex- not directly above her, <a href="http://www.roadstothefuture.com/VA_Sept21.txt">as she reported in 2001</a>, and <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=412">confirmed to Russ Pickering/CIT in 2006</a>. This ‘north path’ also conflicts with the 2001 account of CIT witness <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/06/morin-conventional-wisdom.html">Terry Morin</a>, who reported seeing the plane for several seconds until a row of trees blocked his view, that it had “red and blue stripes down the fuselage”, and he “believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines”. If Morin had seen it directly over top of him from between wings of the Annex, he would have seen the plane for less than a second (at his minimum estimated speed of 350 kts/402 mph/590 fps), and could not have seen any markings on it. There are no markings visible in the simulation in NSA, which can be seen <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZL97reiuWE">starting at 3:28 in CIT’s 1/24/10 youtube video</a>. In 2006, Morin states the plane would have hit the Air Force memorial now at the north east end of the Annex. (3:34) However, in 2001 Morin said, “The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB.” “Essentially” implies the plane was not ‘exactly’ or ‘directly’ overhead.</p>
<p>2) Another possibility is that the plane was traveling approximately on the ‘official’ flight path (based on FDR and radar data, allowing for margin of error). From Ed’s vantage point ducking inside the shop and looking up out the front window, the right wing (and perhaps the fuselage) may have been all he could see for the “one or two seconds” that he saw the plane- and his “feeling” like the fuselage was over his shop may have been due to a common perspective error known as ‘<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_perspective">forced perspective</a>’. This flight path would also match the accounts of <a href="http://911reports.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/dawn-vignola-account-vs-cit-methods-by-erik-larson/">Vignola/Timmerman</a>, <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=412">Zakhem</a> and <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/06/morin-conventional-wisdom.html">Morin (2001)</a>. In addition, there’s some evidence the plane clipped (see section IV) the antenna on the VDOT tower (on the left in the 2nd photo; <a href="http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=118956">169’ above ground at antenna tip</a>). However, even if it did not- if it was slightly above or north of the antenna tower- the flight path would still match the accounts of Ed Paik, Madelyn Zakhem and Terry Morin (in 2001), as well as being within a margin of error for the FDR and radar data.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">IV. Shinki Paik said the VDOT tower antenna was “bent over … about 60, 70 degrees”</span></strong></p>
<p>Less than 200 yards from the Paik’s shop, on the south side of the street, is an antenna tower on VDOT property. Shinki Paik told me the antenna on top of the tower was “bent over, not right angle, 90 degrees, but I would say about 60, 70 degrees.” When I asked when he noticed this, he said, “I believe it was the same day [9/11].” (8:44) Ed had not noticed the antenna was damaged (7:02), but both Ed and Shinki said that there was a crew working on the tower soon after 9/11. They both attributed this to the antenna having been hit by the plane, though they acknowledged they didn’t see the antenna get hit. (<a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">Erik Larson 2010 video</a>)</p>
<p>According to <a href="http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=11965&amp;st=0&amp;#entry7004557">Craig Ranke on the Loose Change forum 8/31/06</a>,  CIT “confirmed with the VDOT employees that the antenna was not clipped.” When Arabesque, Adam Larson and John Farmer raised questions about possible damage to the VDOT tower, <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=112&amp;st=0&amp;#entry1487584">Craig Ranke elaborated 3/17/08 on the CIT forum</a>, “That same day we spoke with many people at the VDOT and all of them told us that the antenna WAS NOT damaged and that the feds used the VDOT building as emergency headquarters on 9/11 and were probably adding extra communication or something of that nature.” No names are cited, and there are no direct quotes, but the use of the words “probably” and “or something” implies the “many people at the VDOT” weren’t sure what was being done on the tower.</p>
<p><a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=112&amp;st=0&amp;#entry1487584">Craig also said in the 3/17/08 post</a>, “We first spoke with Edward&#8217;s brother Shinki Paik the day before we spoke with Edward Paik. Shinki did not see the plane but he told us that they saw workers on the antenna the next day and figured they were repairing it because the plane hit it.” However, when I interviewed Shinki, he offered on his own that he had seen the antenna, “bent over … about 60, 70 degrees.” If Shinki mentioned this to CIT, they’ve never acknowledged it. As of this writing, CIT’s full video footage from their interviews with Shinki and Ed Paik have not been made public.</p>
<p><a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=112&amp;st=0&amp;#entry1487584">Craig, again from the 3/17/08 post</a>: “If the plane was over the antenna it would support the official flight path but this is not where Edward or ANY of the witnesses (including VDOT employee Madlene Zackhem) claim they saw the plane.” Craig is correct in saying, “If the plane was over the antenna it would support the official flight path”, but as I showed and documented in the previous section, the accounts of Columbia Pike witnesses <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=412">Madelyn Zakhem</a> and <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/06/morin-conventional-wisdom.html">Terry Morin (2001)</a> support the official flight path, and Ed Paik’s account makes the most sense if that’s where the plane was. This <a href="http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010020.JPG">photo taken by Steve Riskus</a> and <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=112">enlarged by John Farmer</a> may show a bent antenna, but the image quality is poor, so it’s hard to say for sure:<br />
<a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=VDOTantennabent.jpg" target="_blank"><img style="border: 0pt none;" src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/VDOTantennabent.jpg" border="0" alt="vdot antenna tower,steve riskus,john farmer" width="469" height="384" /></a></p>
<p>In any case, while proof the antenna was hit by the plane would prove the plane was on the official flight path, the plane could have cleared the top of the antenna or to the north side of it, and would still be within a margin of error for the official flight path, and it would still match the eyewitness accounts. As Adam Larson (no relation) demonstrates in this article: <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/03/obstacle-impossible.html">OBSTACLE? IMPOSSIBLE. WHY THIS ANTENNA THING IS A NON-ISSUE</a>.</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">V. Ed Paik’s drawings, statements and gestures for CIT have been misrepresented<span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></strong></p>
<p>CIT has represented their video footage of Ed Paik in the A-One parking lot (a vantage point Ed says he was not at) pointing to his roof and gesturing while describing his impression of the flight path, as evidence of the plane’s flight path. In addition to featuring it this way in Pentacon and NSA, CIT created a gif from their footage of Ed and put text on it that says, “Ed Paik pointing out heading of plane: ‘Body this way’”:</p>
<p><a href="http://photobucket.com/images/paik" target="_blank"><img src="http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad257/snow__crash/paikheading.gif" border="0" alt="" /></a></p>
<p>However, from the footage, it’s clear that at this point Ed says, &#8220;Body here&#8221;, not &#8220;Body this way.&#8221; In the footage of Ed used in Pentacon and NSA (see this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1E6HHOfBbE">youtube short, at 2:53</a>), Ed does not say &#8220;Body this way&#8221; at any point. It&#8217;s also clear from the footage, that in the first clip in the gif, Ed is pointing to where he believed the body of the plane was over their shop, while indicating the path by moving his hand parallel to Columbia Pike. And in the 2nd clip, Ed is pointing to the location where he believed the body of the plane was when it flew past; he’s not &#8220;pointing out heading of plane&#8221;, as the gif’s text claims. This is also evident in that none of his drawings match the ‘heading’ allegedly being pointed out in the gif. Also worth noting from this segment is that Ed points perpendicular across Columbia Pike, and says, &#8220;Right wing is this way&#8221;, indicating that he perceived the right wing to be over Columbia Pike.</p>
<p>CIT has also represented <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=41&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1014741">Ed Paik’s 3 drawings of the flight path</a> as evidence of the plane’s flight path. However, these were drawn on photos that don’t match Ed’s actual perspective from his vantage point in the office (according to his own account), and are based on his impression of what he saw for “one or two seconds”, and his “feeling” where the plane’s body was. And, considering the plane was traveling about the length of 2 football fields per second, he probably saw the right wing (and possibly the body) for less than a second. These 3 drawings, while contradicting the official flight path in some respects, also contradict each other and the alleged ‘north of Citgo path’. For instance, in the top drawing at the above link, Ed has drawn a line roughly parallel to Columbia Pike, which has the plane flying over the Navy Annex and directly into the Pentagon; this line passes <span style="text-decoration: underline;">south</span> of the Citgo gas station, which is out of view in that photo. This first drawing also contradicts the one CIT uses most often, the bottom one, an overhead view which shows the flight path as being roughly parallel to the official path, but further north of it. And the middle drawing has the plane flying wholly or partially over top of the Sheraton Hotel, also contradicting the bottom drawing.</p>
<p>These drawings and gestures don’t diminish Ed’s credibility as a witness; he was trying to be helpful, and when asked by CIT to speculate, he did so. Clearly, witness drawings and gestures from perspectives they didn’t have cannot be relied on as accurate, even if they aren’t obviously contradictory. And representing the results as giving anything other than a general, but inconclusive, idea of where the plane came from, where it was when Ed actually saw it, and where it was headed, is deceptive and a disservice to the public. Again, this is ironic, considering that <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=677&amp;st=0&amp;#entry2301105">Craig Ranke, taking issue with a critic’s interpretation of the drawings, said on the CIT forum 8/9/09</a>, “Witnesses are data points. You can only rely on them for the general placement of the plane <strong>in relation to the ground they are standing</strong>. You can&#8217;t use a witness to extrapolate what you want regarding the placement of the plane in an area that they would not even be able to witness from their location! That is spin and is deceptive.” CIT will say that Ed’s account is corroborated by other witnesses, they are not relying on it alone; however, they’ve cherrypicked the statements of the other witnesses, made selective interpretations that support their theory while denying other possibilities, and apply double- and dubious- standards when judging the credibility of witness accounts that indicate the plane was on the official flight path, even slandering witnesses in some cases. Arabesque and Adam Larson have documented numerous examples of this, in addition to what I’ve pointed out in this essay:</p>
<p><a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2009/07/william-lagasse-these-poles-were-not.html">William Lagasse: &#8220;These poles were not knocked down&#8221; CIT: &#8220;He didn&#8217;t see the light poles&#8221;</a> by Arabesque</p>
<p><a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/08/south-path-impact-documented.html">The South Path Impact: Documented</a> by Adam Larson</p>
<p><a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/03/roughshod-over-suspicious-ones.html">Roughshod Over the Suspicious Ones</a> by Adam Larson</p>
<p><strong><span style="text-decoration: underline;">VI. Conclusion<span style="font-weight: normal;"> </span></span></strong></p>
<p>In summary: Shinki and Ed Paik place Ed in different locations at the moment the plane passed, and CIT, as of this writing, has not acknowledged Ed’s account placing himself in the office, if they were aware of it. According to Ed’s 2010 account, he mainly saw the right wing of the plane, from inside the office, for “one or two seconds”, though in 2006 he recalled seeing the body. Ed said he did not see the plane from the parking lot, and did not ‘see’ it fly over their shop; he qualifies his placement of the fuselage over their shop by saying his “feeling” is that’s where it was. Shinki specifically recalls seeing the VDOT antenna bent over; if Shinki said this in CIT footage, or if CIT was aware of this, they’ve never disclosed it, as of this writing. CIT has cited unnamed VDOT employees as saying the antenna was not damaged, to counter the hypothesis that it was. Ed’s drawings and gestures in CIT videos were based on seeing the wing for “one or two seconds”, and his “feeling” about where the body was. The gestures were made at a location he says he did not witness the plane from, and the drawings are based on perspectives he did not have. In addition, elements of these drawings variously support the official flight path, contradict each other, and contradict the FDR/radar flight path, as well as the path reported by Madelyn Zakhem, and Terry Morin in 2001.</p>
<p>My impression of Shinki and Ed Paik from my own and the other interviews, is they did their best to honestly and accurately describe what they recall seeing. However, while <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=eaIO_XpNHd0C&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&amp;q=&amp;f=false">eyewitness testimony</a> can be accurate- and seem compelling- in some cases, witnesses often miss significant details, make incorrect interpretations and recall things inaccurately, even when they’re sure they’re right. Human beings are subject to errors in judgment, perspective and memory, and in the case of an event that is over in “one or two seconds”, errors are more likely. Language barriers and misunderstandings between witnesses and questioners can also play a role in witness accounts being misinterpreted.</p>
<p>There are problems with some elements of Shinki and Ed Paik’s accounts, but CIT has compounded these by omitting or distorting elements of Ed and Shinki’s accounts, while selectively interpreting and hyping other elements. <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">CIT has a history</a> of doing this, they’ve consistently done it in ways that support their theory about ‘north path’ and ‘Pentagon flyover’, and their doing so- while <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">accusing their critics</a> of being ‘agents’ and ‘disinformation’- has created controversy and undermined their own credibility. Whether or not it’s intentional on their part, CIT have caused disruption and division in the 9/11 Truth Movement, and have distracted some activists from <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">larger questions and more conclusive evidence of wrong doing</a> on the part of those charged with defending the United States and its Constitution- for instance, the fact that the Pentagon was hit at all. I support disclosure and accountability for 9/11 and the way “the day that changed everything” has been exploited to justify a national security state, massive increases in funding for the military industrial complex, wars, torture and subversion of the Constitution. I support independent research and investigation 9/11 and related events- including study of efforts and ideas that distract, divide and disrupt the 9/11 Truth Movement. Not because ideas and efforts that are distracting and disruptive are worth of pursuing in themselves, but because learning which theories are false or inconclusive narrows the field of research to the most productive lines of investigation, and because learning which efforts are impeding progress can improve the effectiveness of activists who are seeking truth and justice.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[From their apartment, Dawn Vignola and her roommate Hugh ‘Tim’ Timmerman saw American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, September 11, 2001. Shortly afterward, they gave witness accounts to local and national TV media. In 2007, they were interviewed by Citizen Investigation Team (CIT), who attempted to discredit their testimony. I interviewed Dawn and her husband, Dan Ferrigno, January 5, 2010 at that same apartment and found them credible; they talked openly with me, their accounts have not changed since they were first offered, and I saw for myself that Dawn and Tim could have easily seen what they claimed to have seen. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span id="more-124"></span>*Revised and corrected 1/24/10</p>
<p>From their apartment, Dawn Vignola and her roommate Hugh ‘Tim’ Timmerman saw American Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, September 11, 2001. Shortly afterward, they gave witness accounts to local and national TV media. In 2007, they were interviewed by Citizen Investigation Team (CIT), who attempted to discredit their testimony. I interviewed Dawn and her husband, Dan Ferrigno, January 5, 2010 at that same apartment and found them credible; they talked openly with me, their accounts have not changed since they were first offered, and I saw for myself that Dawn and Tim could have easily seen what they claimed to have seen.</p>
<p>On September 11, 2001 Dawn Vignola shared a 16th floor apartment with Hugh ‘Tim’ Timmerman, in Arlington, VA, which overlooked the Pentagon and the surrounding area. They were both at home, and Dawn was on the phone with her husband, Dan Ferrigno, because of what was happening in New York. She saw the plane approaching out the West window, over the top of a line of trees, and then it turned East. She could see the AA, and in the bright sun the plane appeared to be white. (See here for <a href="http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?regsearch=N644AA&amp;distinct_entry=true">photos of the Boeing 757 N64AA, the plane that was American 77 on 9/11</a>; notice how it appears white in the photos where there is direct sun on it). It was flying above the line of trees and buildings, and seemed to be over 395 or Columbia Pike.</p>
<p>As the plane disappeared from view past the window&#8217;s North edge, she went over to the window on the North side and watched for the plane, which she had noticed was flying unusually low; she and Tim were accustomed to seeing airplanes flying over the area, including over the Pentagon, as Reagan National Airport is close by. She saw the plane cross in front of the Sheraton Hotel on Columbia Pike, then it disappeared from view behind some nearby buildings. She watched for it to appear in view on the other side of a neighboring apartment building; it did, and she and Tim saw it impact the Pentagon, about 3/4 of a mile away. They did not see the plane fly over- in fact, it hit so low at the base, it looked like it hit the heliport first.</p>
<p>At the time, there was only vacant land and buildings under construction in between their building and the Pentagon, and these did not obstruct their view of the heliport. Since then, shorter buildings have been built in that area, but they still can still clearly see the upper floors of the Pentagon. In person everything appears much larger and clearer than it does on the accompanying video; when the camera is zoomed in, it actually gives a better idea of how large everything appears in person. Dawn and Tim had a clear view of the impact side and the airspace over the Pentagon, and would have seen the plane fly over- or seen something else hit- if that had happened. In addition, Dan&#8217;s office across the Potomac River had a view of the airspace over the Pentagon; he was looking at it while on the phone with Dawn, and saw the black smoke rising, but did not see a plane flying over or away from the Pentagon.</p>
<p>This is a short video of the view from Dawn’s apartment, with my narration based on the above points: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcUCrZETIb0">The View from Vignola’s Contradicts CIT</a></p>
<p>[youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcUCrZETIb0&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1]</p>
<p>This photo gives an approximate idea of how large the Pentagon appears from Dawn and Dan’s apartment, but still does not accurately convey how clear everything appears in person (also note that the shorter buildings in the middle were not there on 9/11; the view of the heliport was not obstructed):</p>
<p><img src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/IMG_1393.jpg" border="1" alt="" /></p>
<p>This Google Earth image shows Dawn Vignola&#8217;s apartment and the line of sight to the Pentagon, as it was on 9/11/01. As can be seen from this photo, the area between her apartment and the Pentagon was largely vacant, with some construction going on:</p>
<p><a href="http://s346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/?action=view&amp;current=GoogleEarth-Vignola-2010-09-11Paint.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p429/Gorlagna/GoogleEarth-Vignola-2010-09-11Paint.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"/></a></p>
<p>Shortly after they saw the impact, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvmtq98Qv6A">Dawn called WUSA, the local CBS channel, and was interviewed live on the air</a>. Tim was listening to the questions as they were asked by the TV reporter, and he can be heard in the background offering his input to Dawn, some of which she passed on over the phone. Later, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzBmgsjC6Nc">Tim was interviewed by CNN</a>. Dawn’s account has not changed since that interview; it is the same account she gave to Citizen Investigation Team in 2007 (judging by what CIT has said about it), and the same account that was given to me. Dawn is no longer in contact with Hugh ‘Tim’ Timmerman. There are a number of hits for ‘Hugh Timmerman’ online, but I did not attempt to track him down for comment; CIT has said they could not locate him.</p>
<p>Since 9/11, various people have claimed that AA 77 did not crash into the Pentagon. As there are numerous witness accounts of an AA 757 crashing into the Pentagon, some crash skeptics have questioned those accounts. For instance, in the case of Dawn’s account, <a href="http://stevenwarran.blogspot.com/2007/08/dawn-vignola-throttles-on-internets.html">blogger Steven Welch</a> alleged that Tim was ‘coaching’ Dawn in her account, and claimed neither testimony could be considered credible. And, according to Dawn and Dan in my interview of them, when Craig Ranke and Aldo Marquis (CIT) interviewed them in November 2007, Craig and Aldo were not simply interested in receiving Dawn’s account and verifying the view from the apartment. Rather, they sought information that would support their theory that the plane known as AA 77 had flown over the Pentagon, dismissed the elements of Dawn’s testimony that did not support this theory and attempted to persuade Dawn and Dan they were mistaken and their theory was correct. (For 2 sides to this story, see the <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89">‘Plan271’ thread at CIT’s forum</a>)</p>
<p>CIT insists they’re objective and have not done anything improper in their investigation and reporting. For instance, in a <a href="http://podcast.com/episode/48240253/12525/">12/12/09 podcast interview by Paul Tassopulos, Craig Ranke said</a>, &#8220;Citizen Investigation Team, myself and Aldo Marquis, have been to Arlington, Virginia several times to interview dozens of eyewitnesses to the Pentagon attack. We went there with no pre-conceived notions about what happened- we went there with no particular theory in mind. Our entire goal was to objectively ask the people on the street what they saw, and report it, and let the chips fall where they may.” (2:05) However, it is clearly not the case that they went to Arlington with “no pre-conceived notions about what happened”; as early as 1/11/06, before Craig and Aldo joined the Loose Change forum, Aldo Marquis had posted an article online titled “<a href="http://letsrollforums.com/meet-agent-lloyd-england-t9799.html">Meet Agent Lloyd A. England (Pentagon Plant)</a>&#8220;. Lloyd England says the plane knocked a light pole through his cab’s windshield, and numerous photos place him, his damaged cab and a broken light pole at the scene. Aldo attempted to show that England could not be telling the truth about what happened, and that the scene was staged. If the plane knocked the light pole through the windshield of England’s cab, the plane was on the ‘South of Citgo’ path, (not on the ‘North of Citgo’ path, as CIT claims certain other witness accounts prove), and this disproves CIT’s ‘flyover’ theory. And <a href="http://www.ocweekly.com/2008-08-14/features/pentaconned/">according to Pentagon crash witness Mike Walter</a>, when he met Craig and Aldo at his barbeque on the first trip to Arlington, &#8220;They were saying things like, &#8216;Are you sure the plane didn&#8217;t land [at Reagan airport] and they set off a bomb?&#8217; They kept coming up with all these scenarios.”</p>
<p>Dawn and Dan invited Craig and Aldo into their apartment, talked with them at length and gave them permission to record the view from their apartment, but declined to be interviewed on camera, as Dawn was close to 9 mo. pregnant at the time, and felt it would be invasive of her personal privacy. CIT recorded conversation at the apartment anyway, (and their phone conversations), without Dawn and Dan’s knowledge or consent. In a comment thread at 911Blogger, <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/14354?page=1">Craig Ranke acknowledged this at least in part</a>, saying, “Obviously while we video taped her POV with her consent after being invited to her home our discussion with her at the time was recorded by the video camera. And we most certainly did record our initial conversations on the phone with her as we do with EVERY phone call we make in our investigation.”</p>
<p>“One-party consent” is all that’s required in Federal jurisdictions and 38 states, but <a href="http://www.rcfp.org/taping/">there are differing opinions on whether it’s ethical for journalists to record subjects without their knowledge or consent</a>; “Some journalists see taping as an indispensable tool, while others don’t like the formality it may impose during an interview. Some would not consider taping a call without the subject’s consent, others do it routinely.” <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/14354?page=1">Craig Ranke defended CIT doing it</a>, stating that in Virginia “one party consent” to a conversation being recorded is all that’s required by law (<a href="http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/virginia.html">true</a>), and that they do this “so nobody can falsely accuse us of behaving inappropriately or saying or doing something underhanded or deceptive.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/20035">CIT also recorded a conversation with Lloyd England without his knowledge or consent</a>, and released it (in part), claiming it was a “virtual confession” and that it supported <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/10710">their previously-issued charge that he is an “accomplice” to the 9/11 attacks and subsequent cover up</a>. (<a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/20035">See this discussion thread at 911Blogger</a> for alternative views on whether Lloyd England’s statements are a “virtual confession”). It seems another reason CIT might record interviewees without their consent or knowledge is the potential for capturing bits of unguarded conversation which they can represent as damaging to the credibility of witnesses whose testimony contradicts their ‘flyover theory’; certainly they’ve demonstrated they will release recordings if it they think it does. As CIT haven’t released their recordings of Dawn and Dan, it may be there’s simply nothing on them they feel would work to their advantage if released. CIT expert Adam Larson (no relation) has documented a consistent pattern of CIT attempts to dismiss or discredit witness accounts that support the ‘South of Citgo’ path or plane hitting the Pentagon; 33 cases, including Dawn Vignola, Tim Timmerman and Lloyd England: <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2008/03/roughshod-over-suspicious-ones.html">CIT WITNESS VERIFICATION PART III: ROUGHSHOD OVER THE SUSPICIOUS ONES</a>.</p>
<p>On 11/29/07, CIT published an entry on their forum titled <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=26">Details of our Nov 2007 research trip to Arlington, more data proving a deception</a>, and included this statement regarding their interview of Dawn: &#8220;Previously published witness Dawn Vignola who was coached by her former roomate [sic] Hugh Tim Timmerman on the radio as an eyewitness declined to be interviewed on camera but let us into her Pentagon City high rise apartment to get shots of her POV and the one of the best possible views of the the event from high up. Dawn swears that the plane was white and although with her panoramic view she got a great look at it approaching from a ways away, once it got near the Pentagon it was obscured by the building in front of her until a split second before the explosion. She says it hit the heliport. We know this isn&#8217;t true because there was no damage to the heliport so likely the explosion and fireball simply concealed what the plane really did.&#8221;</p>
<p>Following this, on 1/15/08, on CIT’s forum, Aldo Marquis posted an entry titled, <a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1215093">Witnesses List Broken Down, No such thing as 104 &#8220;impact&#8221; witnesses</a>, and under a sub-heading for witnesses categorized as, “Only saw plane (possibly from far away location), could not see pentagon, light poles or impact, either deduced or are lying OR do not directly mention or CONFIRM seeing an impact”, he listed Dawn Vignola as “(TALKED TO by CIT, claimed the plane was white seemed unsure of final position)&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89">1/21/08, ‘plan271’ confronted Craig and Aldo on the CIT forum</a> regarding inaccurate/misleading statements about ‘coaching’, the view Dawn and Tim had of the plane, the Pentagon and the crash, and what they had said about it. Craig and Aldo defended making an issue out of Tim interjecting comments during Dawn’s TV interview, although in dialogue with plan271 they referred to it as Tim ‘helping’ Dawn. They also denied accusing Dawn and Tim of lying, but continued to insist they could not have seen what they said they saw:</p>
<p><a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1311943">Craig Ranke, 1/21/08</a>: &#8220;As soon as we saw the view from their apartment I knew instantly that there is no way she would have been able to physically see an impact and could only have deduced it based off the explosion.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=89&amp;view=findpost&amp;p=1310876">Aldo Marquis, 1/21/08</a>: &#8220;We believe Timmerman and Vignola merely deduced the impact.&#8221;</p>
<p>12/5/08 (perhaps earlier) CIT posted this .gif of video from Dawn and Dan’s apartment:</p>
<p>“<a href="http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=468&amp;st=0&amp;#entry2116506">Timmerman and Vignola&#8217;s panoramic view on 9/11</a>” (Compare this to the photo and video above)</p>
<p><img src="http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/timmVig.gif" border="1" alt="" /></p>
<p>Notice this was filmed wide angle, from the middle of the apartment (not from Dawn’s vantage point); this gives uncritical viewer’s the impression that Dawn and Tim could barely see the Pentagon, which is not true.</p>
<p>Dawn and Dan are aware of the allegations and misrepresentations regarding Dawn and Tim’s accounts. Dawn told me that after seeing the plane crash into the Pentagon, she felt it was important to alert the media, but hadn’t expected to be put on the air live, and had not wanted to attract attention. But now they’re part of the controversy over ‘what’ hit the Pentagon.* Dawn and Dan OK’d my coming to their apartment to record the view and spoke with me for over an hour, but due to their experience with CIT, they did not want the conversation recorded, and I didn’t. As Dawn explained in a January 2, 2010 email to Michael Wolsey, which she authorized for public release, &#8220;I am now hesitant to have a telephone conversation recorded or even to be interviewed since my experience has been that I cannot trust how it will loaded onto the Internet or whether others will be able to access it and then edit it, unjustly, for their own pursuits.  The last time I trusted someone in this sort of matter, in particular Craig and Aldo, I found my words being distorted, taken out of context, and/or insinuations that I meant something other than what I said.&#8221; In the near future, Dawn and Dan will be launching a website that will host photos, video, Dawn’s personal account written down shortly after witnessing the Pentagon crash, and other related material, in an effort to set the record straight.</p>
<p>For more information on Citizen Investigation Team, see the articles written by <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/CIT">Arabesque</a> and <a href="http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/search/label/Citizen%20Investigation%20Team">Adam Larson</a>.</p>
<p>This article by Arabesque is a helpful overview, with information on many specific incidents and examples: <a href="http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/cit-craig-ranke-aldo-marquis-and.html">CIT, Craig Ranke, Aldo Marquis, and the PentaCon Flyover Theory: Origin, Debate, and the ‘Smoking-Gun’ Anti-Controversy</a></p>
<p>*NOTE: This article was written to shed light on Dawn Vignola’s and Tim Timmerman’s witness accounts, and the manner in which CIT has conducted its investigation and reporting. I support independent research and investigation of 9/11, and there are many reasons to question the official version of events. I take issue with selective interpretation of evidence, absolute claims regarding events for which contradictory or incomplete evidence exists, and the promotion of speculation as fact.</p>
<p>Certainly, the US government should release all photos, video and documentation related to ‘what’ hit the Pentagon. By withholding evidence, the US government is diminishing its credibility, as well as fueling the controversy about ‘what’ hit, and this in turn has distracted from larger questions, including the questions about why the Pentagon was hit at all; about the reason there was no air defense over D.C. more than half an hour after the second WTC impact, close to an hour and a half after the first signs of hijacking, after a ‘summer of threat’ that included warnings from different nations about an impending attack on the US using planes, when the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&amp;complete_911_timeline_alhazmi_and_almihdhar__specific_cas=complete_911_timeline_cia_hiding_alhazmi___almihdhar">CIA</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=federal_bureau_of_investigation">FBI</a>, <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=national_security_agency">NSA</a> and <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=able_danger">SOCOM</a> had developed their own intelligence on the impending plot, when the FAA, NMCC, NORAD and NEADS have <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense">procedures that enable quick interception of aircraft</a> and had <a href="http://demos.vivisimo.com/search?input-form=simple&amp;v%3Asources=911&amp;v%3Aproject=911&amp;query=samuel+byck&amp;x=0&amp;y=0">known for decades of attempts to use aircraft as missiles</a>, and when the <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a080601ranchmemo#a080601ranchmemo">NSC and White House were aware of</a> “patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.” (Aug 6 PDB)</p>
<p>The <a href="http://911reports.wordpress.com/2008/08/15/911-truth-part-3-of-11-the-911-commission-cover-up/">9/11 Commission</a> omitted and distorted facts that are part of the public record, including in its own and other government reports. The <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">Complete 9/11 Timeline</a> at <a href="http://www.historycommons.org">HistoryCommons.org</a> gives a comprehensive overview of what’s known about 9/11 and related entities and events, based on ‘mainstream’ sources. In addition, <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/">9/11 Research</a>, and the <a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/">Journal of 9/11 Studies</a>, document many unanswered questions and disturbing facts related to the total destruction of WTC 1, 2 &amp; 7, and about NIST’s investigation of same. The big picture and thousands of details make the case that there needs to be a full, independent investigation of 9/11, before that day- or any other terrorist attack- are used again to justify increased funding for the military-industrial complex, foreign interventions, and draconian domestic security measures.</p>
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		<title>Interviewed at the End US Wars Rally: McKinney, Nader, Kucinich and Swanson on 9/11</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[My report and videos from the End US Wars Rally in Lafayette Park, Washington, D.C., Dec 12, 2009. Short interviews with Ralph Nader, Dennis Kucinich, David Swanson and Cynthia McKinney.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the End US Wars Rally in Lafayette Park, Washington D.C. on Dec 12, 2009, I was able to ask a few questions of Ralph Nader, David Swanson, Dennis Kucinich and Cynthia McKinney. Unfortunately, I deleted my video of McKinney by mistake, and held the camera sideways for the others (I now know video is not like photos&#8230;), so I only uploaded the audio w/ still clips for the others.</p>
<p>I had asked McKinney what she saw as the biggest challenges and opportunities for the 9/11 Truth Movement. She said she had supported NYCCAN and felt justice was disserved in the judge&#8217;s decision to disallow it. She suggested that a People&#8217;s Tribunal might be worth pursuing, but that something with legal authority would be best. She also said that she will be pursuing the issue if she gets reelected to Congress.</p>
<p>I particularly liked Ralph Nader&#8217;s response when I asked about the biggest unanswered questions; he said, &#8220;Who&#8217;s responsible?&#8221; is the biggest.</p>
<p>I asked Kucinich the status on his committee&#8217;s investigation into 9/11, and he said that it is an issue he maintains an interest in- he has questions about pre-9/11 financial transactions- but that his committee has been swamped dealing with Wall Street investigations and the economic meltdown.</p>
<p>David Swanson said 9/11 has not been investigated, and a full investigation is an important issue.</p>
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<p>Ralph Nader</p>
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<p>Dennis Kucinich</p>
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<p>David Swanson</p>
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